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Only 90s Web Developers Remember This (2014)

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Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This (2014)

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> DHTML, which stands for “distributed HTML”, Um excuse me? This kills the credibility of the article for me. It's "dynamic html" and as a card carrying member of the dhtmlcentral forums we are the authority on the DHTML subject and lifestyle.

I thought it was just a joke.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This (2014)

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post #48

Let's not forget frames, the original 'solution' to the problem of having to edit the navigation bar on every page. Unfortunately, you then had to figure out what to do if someone accessed the frame page directly, since search engines could still index these parts of the page seperately. And they always felt jarring and awkward too, since the cutoff between sections was always obvious...

The real pros used server side includes, where you could drop specially formed comments into your HTML which then be processed by Apache and replaced with the content of another file before being sent on to the client.

Frames lead me to IIS SSI’s which lead me to PHP 3 which kicked off my entire career.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This (2014)

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post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netscape was the only game in town at one point. From memory, the three big transitions have been Mosaic > Navigator > IE > Chrome. Here's hoping for another one, just to keep them on their toes.

Just before Chrome, Firefox was quite popular, at least among the terminally online. But it wasn't enough to take the crown iirc.

I think I remember Firefox topping out around 30% just before Chrome was released.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This (2014)

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> To this day it is the only way to vertically center elements. Not true anymore (edit: didn't see the 2014) but the productivity cost of not being able to just "vertical-align: middle;" inside divs for the last 30 years must be billions of dollars. Also does anyone remember the fade of the overline style on :hover links? It must has been around the IE4 or IE6 era. Tables were also used to make divs and buttons with…

> Tables were also used to make divs and buttons with rounded corners,

i remember when that was all the rage. So much time spent on freaking corners...

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This (2014)

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post #230

> DHTML, which stands for “distributed HTML” > Sites like Dynamic Drive meant that instead of thinking through creative solutions for problems you face, you could just copy and paste this 50 line block of code and everything would be fixed. DHTML in this context stood for Dynamic HTML, not “distributed”, hence the Dynamic of Dynamic Drive.

I was wondering if this was meant to allude to the “you could just copy and paste” a bit further down. And maybe a riff on DCOM.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This (2014)

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Any body else get online with Juno?

Oh man, there's a name I haven't thought about in a long time.... I think they may have been my first foray into the actual web from BBS'. I remember it being pretty dang cool that you could write your emails offline and then dial up to do the send/receive...

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This (2014)

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> To this day it is the only way to vertically center elements. Not true anymore (edit: didn't see the 2014) but the productivity cost of not being able to just "vertical-align: middle;" inside divs for the last 30 years must be billions of dollars. Also does anyone remember the fade of the overline style on :hover links? It must has been around the IE4 or IE6 era. Tables were also used to make divs and buttons with…

Nowadays I just ask ChatGPT to write the CSS for me for that, and amusingly, it seems to be able to produce at least a dozen of solutions (often came with redundant rules, too: like having 5+ rules when 2 or 3 of them are enough). It's hilariously stupid.

It’s just applying proper separation of concerns. ;)

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This (2014)

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post #230

> DHTML, which stands for “distributed HTML” > Sites like Dynamic Drive meant that instead of thinking through creative solutions for problems you face, you could just copy and paste this 50 line block of code and everything would be fixed. DHTML in this context stood for Dynamic HTML, not “distributed”, hence the Dynamic of Dynamic Drive.

Discussed down-thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39127528

Conclusion was that it's a joke, but not a good one.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This (2014)

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Image Maps were huge in the 90s. You’d have your landing page or header navigation as a giant image and just define shapes around the areas you wanted to be buttons. Saved you from having to chop the image up into tables.

was similar but processed server side, clicking the image submits the form and reports the clicked X and y to the server. We used this at my first job a ton for maps. The MDN article actually doesn’t do this input type justice and misses their true use.

HTTP 204 was huge too, and something I still use. Early way to send a message to the server without a page refresh before AJAX. If a request responds with a 204 the browser stays on the current page. Lots of star rating systems like on Amazon and early Netflix for instance used this. Click a star, link makes the request, 204 keeps you on the current page. Sometimes you’d add a little JS to pretty the interaction up. CSS active was usually good enough.

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