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Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by atleta »

amomchilov wrote: post #153
atleta wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Generally speaking, "the value of a graph is proportional to the square of the number of edges" No, what Metcalfe's law assumes is that the value of the graph is proportional to the number of edges (not their square). And from that assumption and the fact that the graph is fully connected follows that it's proportional to the square of the number of nodes. (Because you can have (n-1)*n/2 edges with n nodes in a ful…

Promotional to the number of _edges_. Edges are proportional to the square of the number of nodes, so the value of the network overall is proportional to the square of the nodes. Think of it this way, for every new user added to the network: * the new user is enriched proportional to the number of existing users * every existing user is enriched by the 1 new user This double-counting is what gives it the quadratic gr…

Yep. That's what I was saying too. The first line of my comment quotes the GP and I was correcting that.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by anthk »

pdntspa wrote: post #114
robertlagrant wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That sentence is a guiding principle of software design that I cannot often quote, without entering into a huge discussion on the pain Reiser has caused That's a shame. He did something awful, but that's nothing at all to do with the idea in the quotation. Ideas shouldn't be cursed because the wrong person said them; they should stand or fall on their own merits.

Certainly, I have an issue with this idea that everything a person does gets cancelled because the person gets cancelled. Particularly in this era of intense political polarization.... It is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The world is full of examples of art and science from troubled individuals; much of our foundational understanding of certain areas of science is derived from the learned experiences of i…

No, ReiserFS was unreliable by itself. Run fsck on a ReiserFS filesystem with a ReiserFS loopback image/wm, then your whole partition it's trashed.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by fl7305 »

scotty79 wrote: post #226
nyolfen wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think if you take a look at human history, the animal kingdom, etc, you will find that in fact it is you who has something strange going on in your brain

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/28/natural-born... Humans and other primates are more prone to this deficiency of the brain than other mammals. But even so, only 2% of humans were killed by other humans. And since many killers usually kill more than one person killers are a miscule minority even in such deficient species as humans. Even with all the cultural pressure that glorifies killing in the "right…

> anyone who volunteers to be a killer has something wrong in him

Consider the native american indian warriors who volunteered to defend their land against the invaders. Or jews in Poland who volunteered to defend against the Germans in WW2.

Does your statement apply to them as well?

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Post by 0x457 »

jacquesm wrote: post #212
0x457 wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legally speaking, she was, since the divorce wasn't finalized.

I don't think that matters much. To all practical intents and purposes she was no longer 'his wife' and given that he killed her the fact that the divorce was never finalized shouldn't give him extra rights.

How is he supposed to refer to her? ex-wife is incorrect. By name doesn't provide enough context for people that don't know about him.

The fact is - he killed his wife.

> To all practical intents and purposes she was no longer 'his wife'

It doesn't work like that, though. My soon-to-be-ex-wife is still listed as spouse on our health insurance because I can't remove her until the divorce is finalized. I still have to specify her in many legals documents as my wife.

Even outside the legal field, many in my personal life consider her as my wife, go "call me when it's finalized".

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by jacquesm »

cachvico wrote: post #213
jacquesm wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A crime of passion does not normally include studying up on body removal, ways to hide further evidence and not owning up to the crime for years because you - wrongly - believe that you can't be convicted if the body can't be found. This was premeditated murder, not a crime of passion.

Premeditation means planning it beforehand. The books were purchased after the deed was done. A crime of passion can be covered up without making it premeditated.

I'm not going to split legal hairs here, merely point out that 'sudden strong impulse' (a requirement for 'crime passionel') is incompatible with subsequent testimony by Reiser claiming that he had 'killed their mother to protect his children'.

That's one of the problems with all of the Reiser defenders: they are usually unaware to what degree Reiser has incriminated himself.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by bombcar »

robertlagrant wrote: post #63
sph wrote: post #19

I think about Hans Reiser pretty often, incidentally, because there is a quote from him I read as a teenager that stuck with me. "The utility of an operating system is proportional to the number of connections possible between its components, than it is to the number of those components." — Hans Reiser (from http://web.archive.org/web/20040126210110/http://unununium.o... ) It's hard to reconcile good things a person…

> That sentence is a guiding principle of software design that I cannot often quote, without entering into a huge discussion on the pain Reiser has caused That's a shame. He did something awful, but that's nothing at all to do with the idea in the quotation. Ideas shouldn't be cursed because the wrong person said them; they should stand or fall on their own merits.

    Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears. 

    I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him. 

    The evil that men do lives after them; 

    The good is oft interrèd with their bones.
(What's interesting to me is that it's often black and white; dead people become either perfectly good or perfectly evil, depending on where you fall - only if they're "not important" are they allowed to be human and gray.)

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Post by coldtea »

graemep wrote: post #221
sph wrote: post #19

I think about Hans Reiser pretty often, incidentally, because there is a quote from him I read as a teenager that stuck with me. "The utility of an operating system is proportional to the number of connections possible between its components, than it is to the number of those components." — Hans Reiser (from http://web.archive.org/web/20040126210110/http://unununium.o... ) It's hard to reconcile good things a person…

Lots of people who do good work have done awful things. I love Oscar Wilde's plays, but he was a paedophile sex tourist. Eric Gill created beautiful stuff, including typefaces most of us probably use or read fairly often, and he sexual abused his children and his dog.

"Pedophile" back then often just meant "gay". In French pedé (pedophile) was the regular way to say "homosexual".

Also the age of consent was lower back then, and untold numbers of "normal respectable ethical people" who back then would otherwise condemn Wilde as "pedophile" did marry girls at 14 or so. Before the 20th century basically after 13-14 kids were considered more like short adults than as a special category of teens. Wilde surely wasn't any kind of pervert going with prepubescent kids or anything like that. In fact, the guy he went to prison for being a lover to was 21.

As for his "sex tourism", it was basically travelling in countries you could have gay sex with locals and the local authorities would turn a blind eye.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by jacquesm »

oh_sigh wrote: post #214
jacquesm wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A crime of passion does not normally include studying up on body removal, ways to hide further evidence and not owning up to the crime for years because you - wrongly - believe that you can't be convicted if the body can't be found. This was premeditated murder, not a crime of passion.

Those things happened after the murder, and don't necessarily preclude a crime of passion. When someone does commit a crime of passion, they don't always just come out and confess as soon as they're clear headed again.

Reisers' own evidence precludes a crime of passion.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/software-guru-ordered-pay...

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Post by scotty79 »

fl7305 wrote: post #233
scotty79 wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/28/natural-born... Humans and other primates are more prone to this deficiency of the brain than other mammals. But even so, only 2% of humans were killed by other humans. And since many killers usually kill more than one person killers are a miscule minority even in such deficient species as humans. Even with all the cultural pressure that glorifies killing in the "right…

> anyone who volunteers to be a killer has something wrong in him Consider the native american indian warriors who volunteered to defend their land against the invaders. Or jews in Poland who volunteered to defend against the Germans in WW2. Does your statement apply to them as well?

Of course. Some of them.

Not everone who joins the army is a volunteer killer. Some people just want to help. Treat wounds. Recover wounded. Scare the enemy away. Some tentatively accept that some people might die in the process. People tend to accept that in war people die. They are more like armed robbers who'd love to have their goals met without killing anyone but some are accepting that someone might die in the process. But fraction of people are killers. They participate in the process in order to kill. Those are the most deficient ones. They are present in every place where people die, on both sides.

Re: Hans Reiser on ReiserFS deprecation in the Linux kernel

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Post by blagie »

mardifoufs wrote: post #77
vimax wrote: post #57

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Why should prisons be about punishment rather than rehabilitation?

There's a difference between rehabilitation and giving people access to the internet when serving a sentence for killing your wife and tormenting her family for like, 2 years because you hid the body even though everyone knew you killed her. Also, why shouldn't it be a little bit of both?

I don't have strong feelings about general internet access, but right now, I am probably spending $200k / year in tax dollars to keep him locked up behind bars. I'd be getting my money's worth.

I would much rather he be contributing to free software from behind bars. That's true more generally too. A plumber behind bars should be allowed to plumb. A carpenter to carpent.

Why shouldn't people in prison contribute back, if willing and able?

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