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Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by system2 »

kirksidlo wrote: post #209
system2 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Could we not do generation based discrimination here? It's so tired and useless.

The video is on TikTok. It is useful to know this is done by Gen Z. While hiring it is important to remember that quitting/fired employees will do something similar. Gen Zs also act like the world owes them an apology for every small issue they encounter and act irrationally. Maybe a Gen Z reading these comments will think twice before posting something that can damage their future job hunting irreparably.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by ipaddr »

charcircuit wrote: post #200
belltaco wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Virginia(where she lives) is a one party state, so it's certainly legal.

But she is under an NDA and other agreements from Cloudflare. Being a one party state doesn't mean you can upload private company meetings to TikTok.

She was no longer an employee. It would be difficult to enforce this hypothetical NDA. The conversation didn't expose trade secrets either.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by fullspectrumdev »

c0nducktr wrote: post #205

Takeaway seems to be if you receive an invite from a rando HR person, decline that meeting. Edit: Also PR speak is one of the most unbecoming things I've heard in my life. I know there's HR people here in this thread, so to them: Try to at least act like your human.

That’s been my policy for a few years - if HR drop a meeting in my calendar, no matter what it’s for, ignore it until I’ve spoken to my direct manager.

Most of the time it’s been harmless, but there have been a couple of instances early in my career where I really should have had a legal representative before agreeing to anything.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by cameldrv »

IvyMike wrote: post #25

I get why Brittany's mad: Cloudflare appears to be handling this about as bad as possible. But those two HR randos aren't gonna have anything worthwhile to say, either. I don't want to be judgmental of Brittany because it's a sucky call to have to take. But my recommendation in this situation is to say "I disagree with that assessment of my performance, but I understand you are terminating my employment. What details…

Yes, this would be the optimal vulcan way to take this. In the human world, peoples stake a chunk of their identity with the company they work for, and when they get fired, that part of their identity is lost. The right, human way to deal with this as the employer is to say that you're sorry and to truly empathize with the people they're firing. Unfortunately, HR doesn't want to do this anymore, maybe for legal reasons, or maybe because they're just emotionally lazy.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by fullspectrumdev »

danjac wrote: post #226
b2bsaas00 wrote: post #207

This why I do startup. Nobody could ever fire you, it’s always your fault and you have opportunity to react. I have been in a position like her and I have been a founder since then.

Only a very few people are in a position to found startups. For most of us we have to learn how to negotiate the workplace.

I think some people haven’t quite realised that the low interest rate days are gone.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by passwert »

ChumpGPT wrote: post #134

I'm an old guy, advice for young people. Companies do not give a fuck about you. Companies do not appreciate any sacrifice you make for them, so make none. Never do more but just what they pay you for. You owe them 40 hours and they only owe you a paycheck. You're employment is temporary. HR is there to protect the company from you. Save your money, Network and have a plan b.

This is quite bad advice, coming from an old guy.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by fullspectrumdev »

system2 wrote: post #150
0xChain wrote: post #130

Sad. Well, I've lost a lot of admiration for Cloudflare. Shame.

Just because an employee who worked 4.5 months with zero sales gets laid off? This is the problem with social media, now people think whoever makes the most noise is right. I've seen people getting fired for far less and they didn't make a fuss about it anywhere.

Nobody actually makes many (or any) enterprise sales in Q4, also in the video it’s made clear that the whole departments getting a culling. Which makes it a really botched layoff.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by ryanisnan »

neilv wrote: post #86

I have personal wiki pages for companies, where I record things like interesting HN posts about them, notes about their products, and a log of recruiting interactions. All on one page. Were I to pull up this company's wiki page while talking with a recruiter, this video is like, on a first date, someone being rude to the waiter, while they smile at you. Strong signal about what they truly are. In this case, a stereot…

Thoughts about publishing it? Anonymously via GH?

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by foepys »

system2 wrote: post #231
kirksidlo wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could we not do generation based discrimination here? It's so tired and useless.

The video is on TikTok. It is useful to know this is done by Gen Z. While hiring it is important to remember that quitting/fired employees will do something similar. Gen Zs also act like the world owes them an apology for every small issue they encounter and act irrationally. Maybe a Gen Z reading these comments will think twice before posting something that can damage their future job hunting irreparably.

If you were to replace "Gen Z" with "women" in your comment, would you still think it's okay to submit it?

Ageism is just as bad as sexism.

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