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Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by kaoD »

thegrim22 wrote: post #173

I know it was only one piece of the article that talks about RTO, but as an aside, I don't think I've ever once in my life, in person or online, seen someone arguing for remote work that provided even a single piece of data, a single number, to back up their assertions. Their arguments instead just presuppose that RTO is awful and remote work is amazing, as if everyone "just knows" it. And apparently everybody that's…

No-RTO is the workers finally realizing they have actual power over management (thanks COVID!) We don't need to provide any numbers to the business because we don't care about the business when thinking about RTO. It's for us. Our lives. Not for the business. If anything, it's the business who has to provide numbers to convince us to go back.

So we just need to refuse RTO. Fire us if your really want to. We'll move to your competitor and the numbers will speak for themselves. We might be wrong and we might be back to the office if you can crush your competitors with the benefits of RTO even with all that talent lost.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by t_mann »

opportune wrote: post #13

Definitely feeling this at another FAANG I think there’s something about post-pandemic work in software that just isn’t working. I don’t think it’s just interest rates or a hiring downturn, nor immediate causes like founders leaving (because I see this sickness at most big tech companies these days). Personally, I believe that hybrid work is not going well. Fully remote teams are good, fully onsite teams are good. Wi…

> I feel like I never know how to contact someone and can never expect a quick reply

MS Teams and similar products have a color-coding scheme (green - active, yellow - inactive, probably afk, red - busy, white - offline) that solves that quite effectively (maybe even too much). Have you tried it, and if so, in what sense did you find it lacking? Also, if instant gratification is what you're craving, then I'm not sure fully on-site has you covered either - people spend much more time away from their desks than at home (in meetings and other places). I'm also not sure if it's the best measure of what 'works', because every instant response for you is a possible distraction from their flow state for someone else.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by colordrops »

opportune wrote: post #13

Definitely feeling this at another FAANG I think there’s something about post-pandemic work in software that just isn’t working. I don’t think it’s just interest rates or a hiring downturn, nor immediate causes like founders leaving (because I see this sickness at most big tech companies these days). Personally, I believe that hybrid work is not going well. Fully remote teams are good, fully onsite teams are good. Wi…

I'm working at a company where hybrid is working fine. Everyone treats the situation as full remote, but some people are just at the office. There will be a con call invite for every single meeting.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by tharkun__ »

cgannett wrote: post #170
Turskarama wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hybrid can make sense _if_ there are scheduled in person activities on the in office days. If you're coming in to the office just to work by yourself then it should have just been a work from home day.

This is what drives me nuts. I don't mind coming to work if we are doing in person meetings or something. I like seeing my coworkers. If I am gonna be alone in an office the whole time might as well be at home where my already purchased food is.

I would suggest a shift in language.

I don't mind coming to work either. If it's in my home. I do mind coming to work if it's in the office ;)

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by [deleted] »

thegrim22 wrote: post #173

I know it was only one piece of the article that talks about RTO, but as an aside, I don't think I've ever once in my life, in person or online, seen someone arguing for remote work that provided even a single piece of data, a single number, to back up their assertions. Their arguments instead just presuppose that RTO is awful and remote work is amazing, as if everyone "just knows" it. And apparently everybody that's…

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Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by MathMonkeyMan »

coolThingsFirst wrote: post #227
quadog wrote: post #32

From the article: "There is a tendency to micromanage and add process overhead…". Yes, the day that leadership invites "Agile coaches" in to start scrumming up the works is another sign to move on.

Why though I dont get it?

If your organization isn't accomplishing its goals, it's not due to a lack of nagging the programmers.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by nomoreusernames »

fuzztester wrote: post #230
972811 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i agree with all of what you said, but i think the main change is just that these companies aren't growing the same way they were pre-pandemic. everything feels resource constrained in a way it didn't in the mid-2010s and this makes everything inherently political and negative edit: to give an example, you probably don't think at all about an exec's value when you see him once a quarter in an all-hands explaining the…

what is that warren buffet about "when the tide goes out, something something naked"? searches ... One of Warren Buffett’s most famous quotes is: “Only when the tide goes out do you learn who has been swimming naked.” from https://fortune.com/2022/10/03/warren-buffett-famous-quotes-...

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Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by x86x87 »

JohnFen wrote: post #31

For me, the main sign that it's time to leave a company is when I start fantasizing regularly about leaving the company. My gut seems to be wiser than my head on this stuff. Nearly every time that I've moved on, it's turned out to be the right call in hindsight.

+1000 if in the morning I dread leaving the car and walking in the office it's time to go. I shouldn't be excited like a dumbass all the time about the work I do but I should at a minimum not dread going into the office.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by droptablemain »

dotancohen wrote: post #121
droptablemain wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Like, little software shops My first dev job was at one of these. They didn't even use version control.

That doesn't mean that _you_ can't use version control. Or just introduce it to the company.

Oh, I tried.
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