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Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by optimalsolver »

Vingdoloras wrote: post #226
Shank wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disable auto-lock. The primary reason for this is that I’m extremely intentional about using my phone. If I have some content open, I don’t want the screen turning off. This is an atypical choice, but I always lock when I’m done and don’t encounter any issues from this choice.

Same here. I get irritated when I see people put down their phone without locking it, only to realize theirs will auto-lock. That said, from now on I'll probably have auto-lock turned on when flying.

If your phone unexpectedly ends up on the ground in the middle of a flight, auto-lock is the least of your problems.

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by ghaff »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #165
pxeboot wrote: post #143

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In prior incidents, I have heard it takes years before belongings left on the plane are returned. Devices sucked out of the aircraft seem like they would be more relevant than other items. 49 CFR § 830.10 appears to be one of the regulations on the subject [1]. [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/830.10

While "that would be stupid" doesn't reliably keep government officials (or companies) from doing that thing, not returning the phone promptly would be a really dumb move. They're not going to learn much from the device, and a phone is something that is incredibly annoying to lose for any amount of time. If they keep it and it becomes known, people who e.g. took videos of incidents would become reluctant to come forw…

I wouldn’t pretend to know what the NTSB considers potentially useful. I would expect them to prioritize anything that could remotely help an investigation over getting an iPhone quickly back to its owner.

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by rekoil »

masklinn wrote: post #182
rekoil wrote: post #166

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The fact that it was pulled out of the plane (and didn't stay snug in its owners pocket) suggests it was being used at the time, and thus unlocked. And yeah, I tend to set my phone to never lock at times, probably not while traveling I guess, but it absolutely happens.

> it was being used at the time, and thus unlocked Although it may well have been reconfigured, by default iPhones will lock up after a short inactivity.

Yes, I know, that's what the second part of my comment was theorising about.

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by ghaff »

stephenr wrote: post #68
spuz wrote: post #58

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Well in Europe, you pay about £23 per flight just for a carry-on bag and £30 per flight for a check-in bag so I'm not sure things are any different here.

To be clear: I'm not European nor do I live in Europe. I just looked up a flight, for example London to Paris. The cheapest BA ticket includes hand luggage for £57 each way, or the next option with checked baggage is £14 more. I'm sure there probably are cheap-and-shit airlines that include nothing with the ticket price as you mention, but there clearly are also options where you pay a small fraction more (and certai…

A lot of Europeans fly those chip as shit airlines within Europe.

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by dolmen »

rzzzt wrote: post #217
ars wrote: post #129

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No it won't. They'll log where it landed and that's about it. What kind of of evidence do you think it has on it?

Accelerometer and pressure readings could be useful.

This assumes they are recorded and kept. Which is a wrong assumption.

At best it may have recorded a high number of down steps in an health app because of the fall.

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by stephenr »

ghaff wrote: post #234
stephenr wrote: post #68

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To be clear: I'm not European nor do I live in Europe. I just looked up a flight, for example London to Paris. The cheapest BA ticket includes hand luggage for £57 each way, or the next option with checked baggage is £14 more. I'm sure there probably are cheap-and-shit airlines that include nothing with the ticket price as you mention, but there clearly are also options where you pay a small fraction more (and certai…

A lot of Europeans fly those chip as shit airlines within Europe.

That's their choice - the comment I replied to phrased it as if every airline charges extra for any baggage of any kind, not that cheap airlines charge for 'extras'.

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by leoedin »

stephenr wrote: post #68
spuz wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well in Europe, you pay about £23 per flight just for a carry-on bag and £30 per flight for a check-in bag so I'm not sure things are any different here.

To be clear: I'm not European nor do I live in Europe. I just looked up a flight, for example London to Paris. The cheapest BA ticket includes hand luggage for £57 each way, or the next option with checked baggage is £14 more. I'm sure there probably are cheap-and-shit airlines that include nothing with the ticket price as you mention, but there clearly are also options where you pay a small fraction more (and certai…

There's basically 2 classes of airline in Europe. "Low cost" airlines like RyanAir and Easyjet are constantly finding new ways to charge extra for service, while "traditional" airlines like BA are playing catchup by offering a slightly better experience.

The latest innovation of low cost airlines, as of a few years ago, is to charge for even the hand luggage in an overhead bin. You can only take a really small bag which fits under the seat in front without paying. BA haven't yet got to that level (although I'm sure they will with time). BA tend to be 30-50% more for the base ticket though - so you pay for it one way or another.

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

Libcat99 wrote: post #225
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #214

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Some people install dumny seat belt defeat devices.

Or ride with the damn bell ringing the whole time. I have a co worker who I won't ride with anymore simply because of that.

Would it help if in addition to the bell ringing, cars would start to let out some very nasty odour? Could help with the deaf and the noise ignorant.

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

Shank wrote: post #210
imgabe wrote: post #163

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It's crazy to me that the phone hasn't locked automatically. Do people really walk around with their phones set to never lock and turn the screen off? Mine times out after 5 minutes.

I disable auto-lock. The primary reason for this is that I’m extremely intentional about using my phone. If I have some content open, I don’t want the screen turning off. This is an atypical choice, but I always lock when I’m done and don’t encounter any issues from this choice.

I do the same. I make sure to use FaceID, though.

I also almost never use apps like dedicated banking apps or social media apps; instead, using Safari.

I know folks that don’t lock, and don’t use Face/Touch ID, because convenience (or paranoia).

I’m not sure that’s a good idea. We have our whole lives in these devices, and they could do a lot of damage.

There’s an old movie, called Taking Care of Business[0], where Jim Belushi finds Charles Grodin’s date planner, and takes over his life.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_Care_of_Business_(fil...

Re: iPhone that fell from hole in Alaska 737 MAX flight is found, still open to Mail

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

urbandw311er wrote: post #227
smcleod wrote: post #156

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Just going by the numbers I’d assume over 40% of the Vietnamese on the flight.

You mean that 40% of the flight was Vietnamese, right? Because I don't think you'd fit 40% of the Vietnamese on a single plane.

Why do you think the Boeing had problems in the first place?
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