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Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by IshKebab » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 8:59 AM UTC

nbzso wrote: post #165

IshKebab wrote: post #148

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Terrible advice. This is like telling people not to use an IDE because auto-complete isn't always right. Or not to use document templates because they aren't finished. Github Copilot can - in some domains - make me 30% more productive. Once it becomes commonplace and the legal issues are sorted, luddites who refuse to use it will be left in the dust.

I don't think autocomplete is comparable with generative code processes. Using AI as a helper in analytics and documentation, yes. But how knowing to code without AI will leave me in the dust? I will know less? Or I will be so slow that the management will oust me? After measuring my "performance" trough corporate timer for code per minute?

> I don't think autocomplete is comparable with generative code processes.

It absolutely is. That's the main way Github Copilot works.

> Or I will be so slow that the management will oust me?

They probably won't oust you but they will notice that your colleagues are much more productive than you and your salary will fall behind.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by IshKebab » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 9:09 AM UTC

gumballindie wrote: post #161

IshKebab wrote: post #148

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Terrible advice. This is like telling people not to use an IDE because auto-complete isn't always right. Or not to use document templates because they aren't finished. Github Copilot can - in some domains - make me 30% more productive. Once it becomes commonplace and the legal issues are sorted, luddites who refuse to use it will be left in the dust.

Good analogy - people that only know how to code using an ide are usually the worse. Those who thrive are those that know and understand things. If 30% of your job can be done by a procedural generator then your work is worthless. Probably because you do stuff you dont understand, and will be freed to focus on more important things - such as luddites or who killed biggie.

There are at least four issues with your comment:

1. The weird implication that people who use tools are doing so to make up for lack of skill. This is so obviously misguided I'm not sure where to start.

2. Dismissing AI as "a procedural generator". It's clearly much more than that.

3. Assuming that the 30% of my job that AI does is the valuable bit. It isn't. AI mainly relieves the tedious stuff at the moment (looking stuff up, typing semi-repetitive code, etc.).

4. Trying to make yourself feel better by asserting that people who use IDEs are worse than you, or that I don't understand my work. Rather pathetic.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by Izkata » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 9:10 AM UTC

duskwuff wrote: post #216

paulddraper wrote: post #208

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Ah yes, the well-known U+2318 Place of Interest Sign :D

They've been using that symbol on the Command key for the last 40 years. It's probably safe to call it "well-known" by now. (Early Apple keyboards didn't have an Apple logo on the command key either! That was added in 1986 on the first ADB keyboard -- it was added for compatibility with the Apple IIgs.)

I think I remember calling it the butterfly key at some point.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by Izkata » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 9:14 AM UTC

elric wrote: post #170

Great way to mess up muscle memory again. The original addition of the windows (or meta, if you're so inclined) key wasn't too bad, as most keyboards had a blank space there. But then people pushed the Fn. And the menu key. And the bottom row became a mess. With some keyboards having Fn>Ctrl>Win>Alt, while others have Ctrl>Fn>Win>Alt, or a permutation without an Fn key. None of my keyboards have a menu key. And none…

> Don't get me started on how the home/end/insert/delete/pgup/pgdown cluster got massacred and merged with the arrow keys.

Worse than that is how the arrow keys are often different sizes nowadays. That one actually influenced my current choice of laptop, all my arrow keys are the same size.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by soultrees » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 9:59 AM UTC

The game here is to get as many of your users as possible and keep them chatting with the LLM (copilot) to get the human / machine back and forth. When everything has been scraped already then the only advantage you can have is more chat logs. I suspect that we will see every large tech company start to push their own models (or skins) just as hard for that same reason. OpenAI is sitting on some of the most valuable data from their user base, and the long targeted conversations they have.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by anticensor » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 10:11 AM UTC

rjbwork wrote: post #215

altairprime wrote: post #113

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Whatever harvesting your specific personal creative written output for profit without compensation is called, that’s not telemetry. Telemetry is usage statistics. This is bulk theft of your copyrighted works at scale.

I don't relaly disagree with the sentiment that it is vvery unsavory, buuuttt to play devil's advocate: 1) copyright infringement is not theft 2) ai training is probably going to be rendered fair use

> ai training is probably going to be rendered fair use

More like an explicitly enumerated exception.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by anticensor » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 10:28 AM UTC

keyme wrote: post #76

Keyboard layouts should be legally required to be standard.

They are, but nobody cares about that standard, not even government agencies.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by dragonwriter » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 10:37 AM UTC

nxobject wrote: post #146

asdff wrote: post #101

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Its not even microsoft its everyone and their grandmother pushing AI this AI that crap. Really language model this language model that, but we've perverted what AI actually means to the public already so that's great too for technological literacy purposes.

Apple, to their credit, hasn't announcing some generative-AI powered project. Yet. I'd like to think they have an Amish-like attitude to tech fads... hence why they never had a foldable come to market.

Yes, they have. They haven't announced much in the way of concrete products/features, but they have announced an effort to stuff iOS full of unspecified generative AI ”stuff”, much centered on Apple’s own in-house LLM, and put lots of resources behind it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-10-22/what-i...

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by flembat » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 10:51 AM UTC

If we are adding a copilot key the keyboards also need additional hallucination warning LEDs.

Re: Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards

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Post by ohlokkru » Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 11:14 AM UTC

asdff wrote: post #101

jjordan wrote: post #6

The way Microsoft is pushing AI literally everywhere now feels reminiscent of circa 2001 when literally everything was branded '.NET'. Eventually they scaled it back, but it was complete overkill and diluted what the brand was supposed to represent.

Its not even microsoft its everyone and their grandmother pushing AI this AI that crap. Really language model this language model that, but we've perverted what AI actually means to the public already so that's great too for technological literacy purposes.

Everyone had similar complaints about the cloud and USB, WiFi.

Operating systems before that. DSLs for configuration.

Circle of tech life, Simba.