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The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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The anti caking I commonly see in salt is potassium cyanide [ferrocyanide, actually, see below]. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_ferrocyanide

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Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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The anti caking I commonly see in salt is potassium cyanide [ferrocyanide, actually, see below]. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_ferrocyanide

I'm sure you're aware that ferrocyanide is not the same thing as cyanide - the cyanide is bound so tightly to the iron center that it is nontoxic.

> However, like all ferrocyanide salt solutions, addition of an acid or exposure to UV light can result in the production of hydrogen cyanide gas, which is extremely toxic.

Now that does seem like a bit of a concern, doesn’t it?

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> You pretty much cannot have too much iodine. Based on what reasoning?

In reference to iodized salt, you would die of salt overdose before there are ill effects from iodine.

What's stopping salt from having a much higher concentration of iodine than the normal advertised value?

e.g. manufacturing error such that a dangerous amount of iodine is accidentally added.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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In India iodized salt is common these days, in such table salts as Tata Salt. Salt started being iodized only around 15 or so years back, IIRC.

Israel notably iodizes very little of its salt and it’s hard to find. Combined with desalinated water consumption, their iodine deficiency rates are through the roof.

https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/2017-03-27/ty-art...

https://ijhpr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13584-020-...

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It's fascinating how determined people are with their positions, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that their position causes harm. We see similar arguments today against folate fortification of bread and fluoridation of water.

Flour is fortified with folic acid because it is more stable. People who are poor methylators can’t transform folic acid into folate, ergo they are harmed by folic acid fortification.

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In reference to iodized salt, you would die of salt overdose before there are ill effects from iodine.

What's stopping salt from having a much higher concentration of iodine than the normal advertised value? e.g. manufacturing error such that a dangerous amount of iodine is accidentally added.

I benefit from a very robust set of regulatory controls ensuring that food products are as advertised and generally safe for me to consume?

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Unclear but Germany is monitoring iodine intake and insufficiency is on the rise. https://www.klartext-nahrungsergaenzung.de/wissen/lebensmitt...

Iodized salt use is decreasing in the US as well. I take a lot of supplements and vitamins and I rarely see iodine as an ingredient so I have placed iodized salt next to my sea salt as I know I do not get enough iodine rich foods in my diet. It's easy to forget about and while I may take things like St Johns and Turmeric daily, I can live without them, iodine not so much.

Eat some sushi regularly. Nori has a lot of iodine.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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In reference to iodized salt, you would die of salt overdose before there are ill effects from iodine.

What's stopping salt from having a much higher concentration of iodine than the normal advertised value? e.g. manufacturing error such that a dangerous amount of iodine is accidentally added.

I guess the same mechanisms that stop manufactures accidentally adding poison to their product.

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Pretty much the same as against fluorine in water in the States: it’s unnatural/a globalist conspiracy/killing our traditional way of life/a plot to subdue the people for . There is no scientifically sound reason against it.

In Deutschland, the iodized salt is nearly always iodized+fluoridated, whereas the only other option is plain salt with neither.

https://shop.rewe.de/p/bad-reichenhaller-marken-jodsalz-500g...

Iodized salt with nothing else should be available in most supermarkets.

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There’s scientifically sound reasons for not wanting to drink fluorine, namely that the science is still out for whether it’s useful when used alongside regular topical applications. Not to mention excessive fluorine can stain or pit the teeth, and that it may even destroy nerve tissue. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/fluor...

The LD50 of fluoride in drinking water is actually lower than the LD50 of water itself - drink enough fluoridated water to die from fluoride poisoning and you'll die from water poisoning first

Things can have negative health effects without killing you, so the LD50 is not particularly helpful in this context.
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