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Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by sgift »

k1m wrote: post #219
sgift wrote: post #213

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Chomsky: 'if “they” do it, it’s terrorism; if “we” do it, it’s counterterrorism. That’s a historical universal.'

I don't remember the incident where Israel killed 1200 Palestinians on a music festival with unmarked troops.

I'm sure Chomsky would find some justification for that too, but that's why the only thing I care about he did is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_hierarchy - from there it's all been downhill, especially in the last few years. Before that it was at least from time to time worth thinking about.

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Post by morkalork »

user982 wrote: post #206
dang wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users are flagging them. I don't think it's hard to understand why: it's a divisive and flameprone topic. Two positions that people urge us to take (different people, obviously) are (1) treat it as off topic and flag everything; or (2) have no limits, which means letting it dominate the front page. Neither of these positions are viable for HN. For reasons why I say that, see past explanations at https://hn.algolia.co…

Have you noticed any patterns or organization in the flagging and voting of this subject, or does it all look organic?

What if it was organic? It would suck wouldn't it eh?

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Post by preommr »

londons_explore wrote: post #168

One day, there will be a bigish war, and comms between the sides will be cut off, either by law, or all comms links severed. At that point, every global business will have to figure out how to split their business in two, their database in two, their server infrastructure in two, etc. and have both halves work. I suspect that few businesses have prepared for such an eventuality, and I suspect severe disruption can be…

> For anyone designing something new today, the main prep you can do

"Our new SaaS offers high security, reslience to deal with usage spikes, and compatability with doomsday scenarios where fascist governments have taken over during war-time while implementing draconic wars that are to sure to end with society as a dystopian nightmare. Oh, and we're Soc 2 compliant."

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by ignoramous »

dehrmann wrote: post #190
UrineSqueegee wrote: post #12

Eh this is really tricky, for exampe if I open instagram, Threads or tiktok 9/10 posts will be pro-palestinian with 1 being pro-israeli. Then some of the propalestinian post will be calling for genocide or celebrating the massacre of oct 7. IMO you shouldn't censor anything. That's the only solution. When something is propaganda or false just quickly tag it as such with why it is false like Xitter does.

> IMO you shouldn't censor anything. That's the only solution. Full disclosure: I work for Meta, but not on ranking, and my opinions are my own. Edit: this isn't specific to Meta; it's common to all content platforms. This is really hard. There's universally objectionable material like CSAM. That's (politically) easy to exclude. There are leaked state secrets the public should know. There's hate speech (laws vary by…

> This is really hard. There's universally objectionable material like CSAM. That's (politically) easy to exclude.

You're right. Instagram feeds can get quite 4chan esque: https://www.wsj.com/tech/meta-instagram-video-algorithm-chil... Even so, TFA claims that Meta has figured out a way to suppress pro-Pal content... so clearly, something's up?

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Post by kelnos »

tzs wrote: post #167
Qem wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> According to the prosecutor he didn't think a case could be made. The key is that "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such" part. Moreno Ocampo, the former ICC prosecutor interviewed, actually said the opposite you're claiming. See https://www.aljazeera.com/program/upfront/2023/12/1/former-i...

That's a different prosecutor, Luis Moreno Ocampo, who was an ICC prosecutor. NPR talked to [1] David M. Crane, who is a founding chief prosecutor on the U.N. Special Court for Sierra Leone. [1] https://www.npr.org/2023/11/21/1214341050/prosecutor-weighs-...

So in other words, even experts on this topic disagree. So I don't think one prosecutor saying "no, this isn't genocide" is definitive -- just like another saying "yes, this is genocide" isn't either.

Ultimately we may never know if Netanyahu has sat behind closed doors and has said things about his intentions in Palestine that would meet the UN definition of genocide. So we can only guess based on what we do know and have seen.

FWIW, to me, this feels pretty genocide-y. The funny thing about the bit you paraphrased from Crane:

> and those need to be officials that also had the means to carry out or cause to be carried out that destruction

... is that by this definition, I don't think we can classify Hamas as genocidal, as they don't seem to have the war capability to actually "carry out or cause to be carried out" a genocide upon Israel.

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Post by squidbeak »

mort96 wrote: post #68
josephcsible wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm not sure it's possible to look at what Israel is doing and say it's not terror. So, charitably, I guess you're saying the IDF is not an organization?

On this scale, isn't it rather genocide?

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Post by cogman10 »

cm2012 wrote: post #187
UrineSqueegee wrote: post #12

Eh this is really tricky, for exampe if I open instagram, Threads or tiktok 9/10 posts will be pro-palestinian with 1 being pro-israeli. Then some of the propalestinian post will be calling for genocide or celebrating the massacre of oct 7. IMO you shouldn't censor anything. That's the only solution. When something is propaganda or false just quickly tag it as such with why it is false like Xitter does.

[flagged]

Any examples of this? That hasn't been my experience but that may just be the communities I frequent.

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Post by nomdep »

throwaway55479 wrote: post #123
whats_a_quasar wrote: post #78

This post was flagged, but I don't think it should have been and I hope it stays up. I have been grateful that HN hasn't had the same level of animosity about the conflict in Gaza as other places on the internet. But this news article is about a core issue in tech, and should be discussed on HN. The whole world now uses social media to communicate, which means that when there's a war, partisans of both sides will be…

That is "the beauty" of this conflict (if something this heinous could ever have a beautiful side): It poses many interesting technical challenges. But, quite understandably, people everywhere (including HN) are fast to move the "warring" right onto our screens (hence the flagging). So, as you mentioned, algorithmic feeds is one of them. There are many others like how to create temporary infrastructure for such a bes…

PS: For many (myself included), Christmas is about loving your family and not “the birth of Jesus Christ”, even if their mothers see it that way
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