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Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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All these intellectual property lawsuits look like an economic loss overall. The laws don’t work as intended if they aimed to encourage innovation

Sure but on the other hand as someone with a pretty recent Apple Watch on my wrist I am very happy whenever Apple suffers a loss and loses money.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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This is also an iterated game. Apple doesn’t want a reputation for caving to patent trolls because that invites more lawsuits. Indeed, Apple has a reputation for going scorched earth on patent trolls and trying to invalidate your entire patent portfolio after you poke the bear (Masimo has already had several of their patents invalidated in the course of their litigation with Apple).

Why do you call them patent trolls when they're not. Patent holders who build and ship products based on those patents are not patent trolls. Do you not know what that phrase actually means?

I don't know if I would call them patent trolls per se, since some patent troll companies' business model is just trying to win patent lawsuits, but if you go to battle and the overwhelming majority of your patents are invalidated when put under any level of scrutiny then you're still being shady. Literally 95% of Masimo's infringment claims (98 of 103) have already been invalidated in this case. They're building products but they're also abusing the patent system.

This is endemic though, I don't think Masimo is especially unique here, companies often encourage filing frivolous patents.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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All these intellectual property lawsuits look like an economic loss overall. The laws don’t work as intended if they aimed to encourage innovation

Sure but on the other hand as someone with a pretty recent Apple Watch on my wrist I am very happy whenever Apple suffers a loss and loses money.

"I am very happy whenever Apple suffers a loss and loses money"

That is a bizarre take.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Patents in question: https://patents.google.com/patent/US10912502B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10945648B2/en They look identical to me btw? both files on 2020-02 and have title of "User-worn device for noninvasively measuring a physiological parameter of a user". From summary: > light source comprises LEDs and super-luminescent LEDs. The light source emits light at at least wavelengths of about 1610 nm, a…

> some parts of them seem to definitely be a prior art The standard is to consider ALL of the elements together in the specific configuration. If this were not the case, then any invention that incorporated any conventional element (e.g., a lever) would be invalid.

It cannot be that simple, can it? Otherwise changing a single element (say "concave surface" to "sine-shaped surface", or "strap" to "clamp") would invalidate the patent.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

#235

All these intellectual property lawsuits look like an economic loss overall. The laws don’t work as intended if they aimed to encourage innovation

The laws are supposed to reward Masimo for their innovation by Apple paying them an appropriate licensing fee. Apple decided to circumvent that by milking them for IP in a feigned acquisition attempt and then headhunting their engineers and are going to be punished financially for not rewarding innovation. The law is working as intended.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Masimo, the company who is suing apple, has a market cap around ~$6B. Apple's wearable business (which might include the audio products as well, I guess), at least according to the article, "generated $13.48 billion in revenue". Don't think this is as big of a threat as someone like Samsung suing iPhone.

Masimo is a well-known and regularly discussed name in med tech (ask me how I know). I can't comment on how Apple perceives them, but Masimo is much, much more than a no-name patent troll.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Since Masimo is a publicly traded company, can’t Apple just buy enough shares to have a controlling interest in the company and just force them to back out?

It's pretty nontrivial to buy a majority interest in any public company. It's not like you can just spend 1/2 the current market cap to acquire it, the price will shoot up drastically as soon as the market is aware of someone (especially Apple) trying to do it.

In addition the float (the freely traded portion of the shares) might be well below what's needed to acquire the majority.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Sure but on the other hand as someone with a pretty recent Apple Watch on my wrist I am very happy whenever Apple suffers a loss and loses money.

"I am very happy whenever Apple suffers a loss and loses money" That is a bizarre take.

It is a bizarre take, see also the train wreck of a discussion about Beeper and Apple.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Executives aren't usually the ones with specific technical skills about the arrangement of sensors and so on. If you were looking to infringe like this, it would be better just to poach engineers.

But how does Apple get access to those employees, when they have been dealing with the executives? Through the executives bringing a team over.

LinkedIn sells to data brokers. You can get a list of past and present employees and cherry pick the ones of value.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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post #62

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It's pretty nontrivial to buy a majority interest in any public company. It's not like you can just spend 1/2 the current market cap to acquire it, the price will shoot up drastically as soon as the market is aware of someone (especially Apple) trying to do it.

> the price will shoot up drastically as soon as the market is aware of someone Will that still happen if you put in a single order to buy 51% of all the shares at a price a little above the current market value ? That trade will be complete before the market "sees" you are trying to buy a ton.

The algos will immediately yank the price up as soon as an order that big comes in. On many smaller stocks it’s possible to manipulate the price with less than $100k.
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