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Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

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I am opening a bottle of champagne as we speak. It is time to remove electron based app and invest in something that will have a proper memory management. Not only 2gb. My phone has more than this. You have cornered the market. Now deliver.

It's amazing though. The performance of Figma is better than all native vector apps out there.

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

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Clearly Figma is providing a valuable product to the market. In part visible here by how people celebrate this decision. But people are celebrating Figma's continued independence without understanding that without the possibility of being acquired for a large amount of money, the funding and incentive situation that resulted in the beloved independent Figma wouldn't exist. This is not as much about Figma, which is bi…

> beloved independent Figma wouldn't exist. Are you saying that the business of "we make a thing and we ask for money from our users for said thing" model cannot work? > Why would anyone go worth at a small company for equity if there's no chance to get liquidity? Why would investors invest? Presumably because they hope the company become successful and it sells many licences and they get a share from that pile of mo…

> Are you saying that the business of "we make a thing and we ask for money from our users for said thing" model cannot work?

I'm saying that companies like Figma, which has raised $333 million dollars in venture capital, at up to a $10bn valuation, cannot exist if those investors don't see sufficient options for liquidity.

And given that people strongly value companies like Figma, as evident in this very thread, that would be a bad outcome all in all. The only market participants for whom this wouldn't be a bad outcomes would be big, established businesses that have to fear less startup competition.

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

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Excellent news. I think there should be more products, more companies, and more competition. Adobe just buying up it's competition will only ever directly hurt consumers. See also, "Adobe says the FTC is looking into its subscription cancellation practices." https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/15/24003532/adobe-says-the-...

I agree to be honest, I do find it refreshing too that they're both Willing to part ways instead of trying to manipulate the system. I don't think this could just customers but even the companies themselves I don't see a loss.

They were trying to manipulate the system, just failed at that

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

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post #106

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What’s the best way to send signals to regulators?

I think more people talking about it publicly on social media will do. Today, social media seems to drive at least some part of traditional media coverage, and traditional media coverage at least in part drives political debate and at least a part of that drives actual policy.

I think public discourse on social media is close to being ruined by bots. Petitions which require id to authenticate might be a better measure, although has it's flaws for sure.

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#236

Excellent news. I think there should be more products, more companies, and more competition. Adobe just buying up it's competition will only ever directly hurt consumers. See also, "Adobe says the FTC is looking into its subscription cancellation practices." https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/15/24003532/adobe-says-the-...

Glad the FTC is going after them. All predatory subscription practices need to be abolished by law.

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#237

It looks like regulators are actually doing their job. I would love to see more of this, along with breaking up companies that have gotten too big for their britches.

I really think we should distinguish between people providing goods to the public, for which there is an immediate need for competition, and B2B services like Figma. Monopolization of the former can cause active harm to individuals right now. Monopolization of the latter leads to... businesses having to spend more and provides incentives for other competitors. In particular, what I think a lot of people are missing is that this could be the end for Figma too. I'm going to guess the workers there were really hoping for a payout. If they don't get that, there's going to be de-motivation. Especially having basically been told they're too big to acquire. An IPO is possible, but the opportunity costs given the current markets are almost too much to bear. I feel sorry for them.

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

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I still mourn the end of Freehand. Illustrator’s UI never matched Freehand.

And Fireworks

I still keep a copy of CS6 on my windows machine just for access to fireworks. I should probably learn something new at this point but there is just something about the presentation of the canvas, pixel snapping, and palettes that I can't give up.

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#239
post #149

Anyone else think this has nothing to do with the regulatory agencies but instead the market has dramatically shifted in the past 15 months in terms of valuations and this is a nice cover to cancel the deal? Figma still gets $1B "investment" without giving up any equity or control and Adobe gets to walk away from a massive $20B fee. Adobe makes $17B a year in revenue, they would need some pretty strong growth out of…

Nah, I think this is truly a case of regulatory agencies shutting the deal down. Adobe knows Figma is best-in-class in their category, and even in the current market downturn, $20b still feels like a good bet to own the winner in and up and coming category for the next 5-10 years

I dunno, seems like there are massive risks to Figma as a business at this point with the developments in generative AI. I'm not that confident spending $17bn is justified if its going to take 10-20 years to make it back. Some generative AI startup could easily leapfrog figma.

And Adobe already has its own massive trove of copyright images that it can use for much better generative AI.

I think the last year has put adobe in a much stronger position and figma in a much worse position.

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