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He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by pixl97 »

verisimi wrote: post #216
c0brac0bra wrote: post #192

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You might even say that ALL laws go against human nature. If it was in our nature to follow a certain law we probably wouldn't need it codified.

Laws are for thee, not for me. They are a control mechanism for the masses, nothing to do with right or wrong, which is written in our hearts. But, if you want to disempower the individual, take his money (tax), use that money against him (police, tax inspectors) you need some authorised hymnsheet for the feeble minded to get behind. And that is law.

>nothing to do with right or wrong, which is written in our heart

It's just quite unfortunate we're all reading from different heart books.

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Post by hoistbypetard »

uconnectlol wrote: post #205
highwaylights wrote: post #5

One of these days I'm going to make the Internet prove to ME that IT's not a robot and see how it likes it

this archive.is website (and its other domains) has been misconfigured in "I am under attack mode" since 2015 or so. which makes cloudflare's nonsense captcha come up every time you visit it (and / or just the javascript bot check script).

Source?

That has never happened to me, and I use archive.is/archive.ph/whatever other domain they indicate I should use very regularly.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by verisimi »

pixl97 wrote: post #231
verisimi wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Laws are for thee, not for me. They are a control mechanism for the masses, nothing to do with right or wrong, which is written in our hearts. But, if you want to disempower the individual, take his money (tax), use that money against him (police, tax inspectors) you need some authorised hymnsheet for the feeble minded to get behind. And that is law.

>nothing to do with right or wrong, which is written in our heart It's just quite unfortunate we're all reading from different heart books.

Really? Or is it that you've never looked, and take the poor imitation instead?

Funny, btw. But, not all truth has to be found in a book.. Arguably, no truth is.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by keiferski »

gruez wrote: post #226
keiferski wrote: post #59

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I encourage anyone interested in the consequences of whistleblowing to watch The Insider. A truly excellent film about a whistleblower at a tobacco company and the terrible things they did to try and stop him. Russell Crowe, Al Pacino, Bruce McGill, Christopher Plummer, many others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Wigand Trailer: https://youtu.be/MGOb29aePyc The best scene: https://youtu.be/gNKmmA6_oTQ

>I encourage anyone interested in the consequences of whistleblowing to watch The Insider. Surely there's better sources to read/watch than a fictional dramatization?

Sure, you can read the article it’s based on:

https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/1996/05/wigand199605

But the film is really, really good and I think the gravity of the situation is more apparent than in the article.

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Post by sophacles »

uconnectlol wrote: post #210
dmd wrote: post #161

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No, that’s just them blocking your DNS provider. You’re using cloudflare, quad9, or similar. Google “cloudflare archive.is” for details.

nope. archive.is has their cloudflare configuration set to "i am under attack mode"[1], which makes the cloudflare captcha come up every time a tor / vpn / "bad" IP address visits it. its been like this since 2015. if you aren't familiar, cloudflare just serves tor / vpn / "bad" IP captchas for every domain you visit. the captchas themselves are broken half the time. in 2018 cloudflare then added deep packet inspecti…

It's pretty well documented that archive's owner doesn't like the way Cloudflare reports EDNS for 1.1.1.1, and causes problems for people who come via that dns:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28495204

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by bawolff »

kossTKR wrote: post #128
bawolff wrote: post #115

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> It's a grotesque display of war actual war crimes Even if we assume that number is accurate. Dead children dont neccesarily equal a war crime, it depends on context. E.g. if the children are combatants, not a war crime. If it was collateral damage, not a war crime (assuming that it wasnt reckless, there was a porportional military advantage, etc. lots of details here). To be a war crime requires a bunch of stuff be…

The Yemen civil war is 9 years. So on average 1300 kids a month? If the Israeli military has killed 8000 kids, that's in two months, so way more than even the dirtiest of other wars, and really the west should be held to higher standards. I tried to check and multiple NGO's have confirmed that 6000-8000 dead kids is the real number and the death tolls have usually been correct from the palestinian side even if it sou…

I dont think extrapolating to average rate makes sense in a conflict. By that logic you could say that this conflict has really been going on for 75 years making the average rate really low.

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Post by baner2020 »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #16

My experience of whistleblowing even here in the west is that usually it goes very very badly. The only real thing open to you is to refuse to do anything unethical, quit and walk away. Many people can't afford to do that. Things ought to be different but we live in corrupt societies where the law is different for the rich and powerful than for everyone else.

Oh yeah… a country where most safety features… seat belts (for example or lead poisoning) are results of whistleblowers, yet the path is paved with retaliatory actions , hr taking it like a personal jihad to prove the conversation wrong …. I can personally relate to what it feels to take punches

If the person has pre existing medical condition like diabetes, doing good will literally cost one’s life . Living the experience, for voicing discrimination at employment situation

Have interviewed 176 attorneys over 2 year period with only 5 confirming that the discrimination is illegal , but they had signed agreements to not represent employees.

Found out that one can buyout judges, apparently a judge can punish a legal practice if they don’t want a whistleblower case be presented

Being rich definitely allows one to be ignorant all these ongoing friction in life

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Post by xkcd1963 »

sgjohnson wrote: post #56
xkcd1963 wrote: post #49

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He is right though. The companies are accountable to the shareholders, and the shareholders (usually) don't care. Companies are not sentient beings, they are made up of people. People that don't care. Personally, I'm a consumer and I don't care either. I know where my t-shirts are made and I have a vague understanding under what conditions they are made. This is not a problem that has to be fixed in the west. It's a…

Companies are to blame because they are the ultimate decision makers. This is how responsibility works. If you kill someone, you'll be blamed for the murder, you won't be able to use "the circumstances lead me to it, I'm poor I needed the money" or "my brain/hands decided to do so" as a defense.

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Post by pixl97 »

gcanyon wrote: post #200
ordu wrote: post #182

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> Laws that go against human nature fight an uphill battle I'm reluctant to name it "human nature", but let it be. Most laws are needed to restrict "human nature". Moral codes exist to restrict "human nature". So it is the fate of a law. > The function of the group is to survive as a group; it will do whatever it takes to achieve that. It is an oversimplification I believe. Groups have very different goals, and somet…

> simplifying: "laws and moral codes exist to restrict 'human nature'" I strongly disagree with that. Laws (and moral codes) exist to codify the general, agreed-upon human nature. They therefore "restrict," as you say, a subset of people whose internal moral compass is broken. To pick the most extreme example: most people don't need a law, or even a moral code, to not kill other people. We all (for some large and gro…

So the issue with laws is they are many types. Criminal, civil, statutory. Defining how the power grid works, what frequency it runs, what devices can be plugged into it so they don't explode is a set of codes/laws. If you violate those there are other sets of civil/criminal codes that can be used to remediate the situation.

And that's just one facet of our lives. In a low complexity society, especially ones with smaller populations there are typically fewer laws. As society grows, and especially as the populations begin to specialize formalized laws are a natural outcome. The farmer, the taylor, and the brickmaker all need common set of rules for expectation in things like trade and debt that get very hard to coordinate as population size grows.

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

isilofi wrote: post #218
financltravsty wrote: post #196

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Patagonia? Chick-Fil-A? I think when you go full B2B, you are destined to be a soulless corporate automaton.

> Patagonia? Chick-Fil-A? There is certainly a niche catering to the handful of customers who do care, have the money to care, have enough information to care and get the opportunity to show they care by selecting the right vendor. But very often I think the consumer is just unable to care because of lacking money, lacking information or outright deception by the vendors and lacking offers from ethical vendors. And t…

> the market unfortunately favors the non-ethical ones

"The market favors" is just an corporate speak for "The customers favor", i.e. in this case "The customers unfortunately favor the non-ethical ones".

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