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YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

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Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

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Post by Valodim »

brandensilva wrote: post #227

He or someone wrote this 6 hours ago on his Instagram: "Two years ago I jumped out of a perfectly good airplane and let it crash into the ground, took some bad advice, and decided to remove the wreckage. Today I was sentenced to 6 months in Federal Prison. Thank you to my unconditional loving family and friends. You know who you are, and who you aren't :) My incredible lawyer, and Federal Judge Walter, for understand…

"Please like and smash that subscribe button" vibes, but it's his livelihood to do that so not sure if it's reasonable to expect anything different. The text doesn't make it hard giving him the benefit of the doubt at least. Hope he'll land in his feet and do better from now on.

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Post by bravetraveler »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

Critically, he is not going to jail for intentionally crashing the plane. He is being jailed "for obstructing a federal investigation by deliberately destroying the wreckage of an airplane." Had he cooperated, it's plausible to see him getting away with a license revocation and fine. Instead he did this: "In the weeks following the plane crash, Jacob lied to investigators that he did not know the wreckage’s location.…

Amazingly childish actions with adult scale, I'm blown away.

To chop it and dispose in local garbage... yikes.

Stuff like this makes me question things. I have a day job and this idiot has access to a helicopter and a spare plane to crash

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Post by thih9 »

brailsafe wrote: post #154
dghlsakjg wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://nacto.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2011PedestrianR... Risk of death for pedestrians goes up 250% when hit by a car going 32mph vs one going 23mph. Given the rising rate of pedestrian deaths in North America (at a 40 year high), it is an almost certainty that 5mph has made the difference in a great number of pedestrian deaths.

This seemed like a carefully chosen representation of the pdf, here's the quote from the linked 2011 estimated risks > The average adjusted, standardized risk of death reached 10% at an impact speed of 23 mph, 25% at 32 mph, 50% at 42 mph, 75% at 50 mph, and 90% at 58 mph. Risk of death increased approximately linearly with speed for speeds between 32 mph and 50 mph, with an average increase of 2.8 percentage points…

I noticed this is data for being hit with a given speed. In real life initially you might drive faster and then try to brake / swerve / otherwise slow down before the hit.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

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Post by masklinn »

krisoft wrote: post #229
masklinn wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Otoh people crash stuff on the reg (crash tests, stunts, …) and an unoccupied plane should be quite predictable. If you can demonstrate that you secured the area and it is large enough there is low-to-no chances of the plane getting out from bailout conditions everyone woukd likely be satisfied.

> you can demonstrate that you secured the area and it is large enough there is low-to-no chances of the plane getting out from bailout conditions You are probably underestimating how wast that area must be to do that.

pray tell how can I be under-estimating when I am not estimating anything in the first place.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

throw0101b wrote: post #15
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

Critically, he is not going to jail for intentionally crashing the plane. He is being jailed "for obstructing a federal investigation by deliberately destroying the wreckage of an airplane." Had he cooperated, it's plausible to see him getting away with a license revocation and fine. Instead he did this: "In the weeks following the plane crash, Jacob lied to investigators that he did not know the wreckage’s location.…

> Had he cooperated, it's plausible to see him getting away with a license revocation and fine. Reminder of the quotation from Howard Baker (R-TN): “It is almost always the cover-up rather than the event that causes trouble.” Though some would disagree: > There's this old line the wise folks in Washington have that 'it's not the crime, but the cover-up.' > But only fools believe that. It's always about the crime. The…

this has some faulty reasoning involved as well.

There are the following conditions:

1. individual determines correctly the crime is not survivable and does cover up that fails and you have both crime and cover up.

2. individual determines correctly the crime is not survivable and does cover up with succeeds in covering up crime sufficiently but then the individual gets damage from cover up, since there is a strong suspicion the cover up was of crime the cover up punishment is nearly as bad as crime.

... variations of above until

X1. individual determines incorrectly the crime is not survivable when it was, and does cover up and suffers more from cover up than they would from crime.

These things are of course also hampered by what one hopes for - if you think you will be damaged by crime but not as much by cover up if cover up fails you may still attempt cover up because successful cover up means no damage.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

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Post by belter »

selcuka wrote: post #150
kesslern wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the Toupee Fallacy is lurking around in this conversation. We know how many cover-ups are successful, and the ones we know about are nearly universally unsuccessful.

> We know how many cover-ups are successful Did you mean "we don't know"?

https://fairing.co/assets/images/blog/known-unknowns-matrix-...

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

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Post by mike_hock »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #235
throw0101b wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Had he cooperated, it's plausible to see him getting away with a license revocation and fine. Reminder of the quotation from Howard Baker (R-TN): “It is almost always the cover-up rather than the event that causes trouble.” Though some would disagree: > There's this old line the wise folks in Washington have that 'it's not the crime, but the cover-up.' > But only fools believe that. It's always about the crime. The…

this has some faulty reasoning involved as well. There are the following conditions: 1. individual determines correctly the crime is not survivable and does cover up that fails and you have both crime and cover up. 2. individual determines correctly the crime is not survivable and does cover up with succeeds in covering up crime sufficiently but then the individual gets damage from cover up, since there is a strong s…

3. Individual does cover up, which gets discovered along with a crime, and the individual gets punished for both the cover-up and the crime that was discovered. The cover-up was successful. It hid a much more egregious crime that nobody ever learned about.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

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Post by padjo »

brandensilva wrote: post #227

He or someone wrote this 6 hours ago on his Instagram: "Two years ago I jumped out of a perfectly good airplane and let it crash into the ground, took some bad advice, and decided to remove the wreckage. Today I was sentenced to 6 months in Federal Prison. Thank you to my unconditional loving family and friends. You know who you are, and who you aren't :) My incredible lawyer, and Federal Judge Walter, for understand…

Gearing up for a tour as an inspirational speaker when he gets out.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

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Post by tialaramex »

dmix wrote: post #101
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

Critically, he is not going to jail for intentionally crashing the plane. He is being jailed "for obstructing a federal investigation by deliberately destroying the wreckage of an airplane." Had he cooperated, it's plausible to see him getting away with a license revocation and fine. Instead he did this: "In the weeks following the plane crash, Jacob lied to investigators that he did not know the wreckage’s location.…

Was the federal investigation already underway before he enacted his plan to cover it up? Or does it not matter. When does an investigation formally start? When they heard about the fake crash like everyone else did when it went viral on youtube?

It doesn't matter. As a licensed pilot he had a duty to report the incident. You don't get to pick whether it's "worth" investigating, the agency gets to decide based on your mandatory reporting.

Re: YouTuber sentenced to 6 months in prison for obstructing probe into plane crash

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Post by ponector »

adrr wrote: post #73
financltravsty wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USSR? China? Malaysia? Saudi Arabia? Iran? USA if the police and DA want to make an example?

I doubt anyone does any jail time for stealing bread unless they are habitual offender(multiple felony convictions) or its aggravated theft(eg: by force/violence). Court cases are public so feel free to prove me wrong.

From the past: USSR applied a death sentence for stealing grains from the already harvested field.

Nowadays Taliban do hands amputation as punishment for stealing(not sure about stealing bread, though).

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