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DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by bondarchuk »

crmd wrote: post #211
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the more "corporate" restaurant groups are growing but the less well capitalized small businesses are in a world of hurt Within the <$50/diner category, yes. It seems this is where the new Applebees/Ruby Tuesdays are forming. Above that, there is an explosion of creativity in the fine and pseudufine dining categories.

Here in the city, it's not just the Applebees/Ruby Tuesdays who are growing; there's another emerging level of corporate food service. For example, a friend of mine is a data scientist who reports up into the CFO of a company that owns around 10 restaurants in New York, California, and Las Vegas. The flagship of the brand is a Michelin-starred celebrity chef. His entire job is presenting to executives the profitabili…

How would you even assess the profitability of a small recipe change? You'd only notice by the time a customer comes back and there are so many variables (and time) going into that I can't imagine you could really get some signal out of your a/b-test of a few drops of chili oil in the soup.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by hiatus »

devrand wrote: post #139
catchnear4321 wrote: post #111

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> DoorDash is effectively eliminating it (or at least making it truly optional) it was truly optional before, no? you just had to decide if you were taking an option or implicitly being a jerk before ordering. now you decide after. perhaps companies need to stop implying such things altogether. such as could be done by not even mentioning a tip until food is in hand. as that is what a tip is. that the delivery person…

The big difference is that before, the tip you picked before placing the order directly reflected the offers that the dashers would see. If you put no tip then very few dashers would be willing to take the order. This is what effectively made it mandatory. Now dashers won't see tip variance in offers, it'll effectively be post-service from their perspective. From the consumer perspective, yes, you can tip before you…

> From the consumer perspective, yes, you can tip before you have the food in hand, but it's no different than if you had gone back after delivery and added a tip.

When you visit a restaurant, do you give a tip to the wait staff when you place your order or do you wait until after the service has been rendered?

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by shmatt »

zepton wrote: post #147

DoorDash is being misleading when they imply that NYC required a minimum wage of $29.93/hr for delivery workers. DoorDash could comply with the bylaw by paying its contractors $17.96/hr for the full time they work (including time waiting for orders). But DoorDash instead chose to use the "Alternate Method" which has a 67% higher minimum wage, but only for the time the contractor is actively delivering food (not stand…

While true this would lead to thousands of people being online without demand. If one really wants their food in 45 minutes, or an uber driver always 3 minutes away, they need a lot of people doing nothing staring at their screens for long periods of time

Capping the # of people online would cause tons of other issues, its very easy to exploit a system like that, plus it would slow everyone down

Either we want people to do things for us, want it super fast, and want to pay everyone for every second of their time. Can't have all of these without hiring a personal driver working just for you full time

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by stefan_ »

jsyang00 wrote: post #196
zepton wrote: post #147

DoorDash is being misleading when they imply that NYC required a minimum wage of $29.93/hr for delivery workers. DoorDash could comply with the bylaw by paying its contractors $17.96/hr for the full time they work (including time waiting for orders). But DoorDash instead chose to use the "Alternate Method" which has a 67% higher minimum wage, but only for the time the contractor is actively delivering food (not stand…

Wouldn't this incentivize Dasher's to... take longer to deliver? This whole model feels screwed up to me.

And as an additional incentive, DoorDash has decided to fuck with tips!

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by radicality »

standardUser wrote: post #177
darth_avocado wrote: post #152

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The other part of this is that Doordash workers need to pay for their own delivery vehicles (gas, upkeep etc.) which factors into the actual wages they get. They are not making significantly more than minimum wage workers.

I'd estimate in NYC that 90% of deliveries I get are made by bicycle, so their average expenses are comparatively very low.

I’ve even had Uber eats deliveries from places close-by where it said “X is walking”.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by devrand »

hiatus wrote: post #232
devrand wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big difference is that before, the tip you picked before placing the order directly reflected the offers that the dashers would see. If you put no tip then very few dashers would be willing to take the order. This is what effectively made it mandatory. Now dashers won't see tip variance in offers, it'll effectively be post-service from their perspective. From the consumer perspective, yes, you can tip before you…

> From the consumer perspective, yes, you can tip before you have the food in hand, but it's no different than if you had gone back after delivery and added a tip. When you visit a restaurant, do you give a tip to the wait staff when you place your order or do you wait until after the service has been rendered?

Generally I don't have a choice as you tip when money is exchanged. At some places that means when you place the order (but before you've gotten the food), and at others it means when the bill is satisfied at the end of the meal. Other times the tip is forced so you don't really have a choice regardless (unless you want to go above the mandatory amount).

However, the change with DoorDash is now it doesn't really matter when consumers decide to tip since it won't be known to the service provider (well, I suppose DoorDash themselves know, but the dasher does not). Previously the tip impacted the offers dashers saw, so opting to tip after service would impact the service being provided.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by cantSpellSober »

shmatt wrote: post #233
zepton wrote: post #147

DoorDash is being misleading when they imply that NYC required a minimum wage of $29.93/hr for delivery workers. DoorDash could comply with the bylaw by paying its contractors $17.96/hr for the full time they work (including time waiting for orders). But DoorDash instead chose to use the "Alternate Method" which has a 67% higher minimum wage, but only for the time the contractor is actively delivering food (not stand…

While true this would lead to thousands of people being online without demand. If one really wants their food in 45 minutes, or an uber driver always 3 minutes away, they need a lot of people doing nothing staring at their screens for long periods of time Capping the # of people online would cause tons of other issues, its very easy to exploit a system like that, plus it would slow everyone down Either we want people…

Not in a city the size of NYC.

In between deliveries, they are on their shift, and they should be paid for their time.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by dragontamer »

Zircom wrote: post #219
dragontamer wrote: post #159

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UberEats is a "bus" that pretends otherwise. I've seen the Uber drivers come in. They always grab like 4 or 5 orders, and possibly drive to a 2nd or 3rd restaraunt before they start delivering. Its not like those UberEats drivers have a big penalty if they arrive late or if the food is cold. ----------- What I'm saying is, consolidated food delivery services is *already* what we have with DoorDash/UberEats/whatever,…

>I've seen the Uber drivers come in. They always grab like 4 or 5 orders [from the same restaurant], and possibly drive to a 2nd or 3rd restaurant before they start delivering. Having done Doordash/Ubereats in the past myself that is ABSOUTELY not the norm, god I wish it was that streamlined. Picking up a single order and delivering it straight to the customer is by far and away the most common scenario for the drive…

Thanks for the anecdotes. Good to hear how things work from someone who has actually experienced it.

All I've seen are the big orders that get handed to someone who immediately runs out the door and into a car that they left running (with the keys in and everything), lol. They're obviously stressed and trying to make time.

I guess the big orders / stacks are more noticeable to me and obvious what's going on. If a more "normal" driver comes in, it looks like any other internet order (like my own, except I'm picking it up personally).

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by jlmorton »

interactivecode wrote: post #198
CydeWeys wrote: post #175

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The delivery vehicles being used in NYC are almost entirely e-bikes, so the expense is not as big as you might be thinking. It's certainly nothing close to the cost to gig workers for running an Uber car.

So does it include health and sick pay for when you get injured or older and you’re less mobile? Cycling all the time could be way more taxing than driving.

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