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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by bigbillheck » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 10:39 PM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #181

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #151

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These sort of posts invite this sort of people. And if you look at many of those posting they are either very recently created accounts or rarely contribute.

I looked at a bunch and found many of them were established HN users with four-digit karma.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 10:40 PM UTC

archsurface wrote: post #24

TecoAndJix wrote: post #3

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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by letrowekwel » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 10:40 PM UTC

It's not a good idea to take in massive amounts of poor and uneducated refugees from distant cultures, give them free money and housing, and then just leave them be. That's not a real migration policy, it's just a recipe for creating a segregated society. The Swedish welfare state has certainly taken care of the basic needs of the migrants, but it hasn't really worked well at actual integration, and creating social mobility. Poorly integrated youths who see no future prospects through honest work are prime material for crime gangs to recruit.

I still haven't figured out whether Swedish politicians and voters didn't realize this, or simply didn't care. What's happening has seemed inevitable to me for well over a decade.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by AdrianB1 » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 10:40 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #207

mupuff1234 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do we think religion is such a sacred cow (no pun intended)? Why is criticizing a religion any different from criticizing let say, capitalism and billionaires? Basically we decided to grandfather in ideas that don't really have a place in a modern liberal society. With that said, I have no issues with reformed muslims that keep the community/"civilized" cultural aspects of Islam, but yes, of course i'm suspicious…

Because freedom of religious persecution is enshrined in a large number of core laws simply because we have already seen what can happen if you don't have that kind of provision.

Freedom of religion has nothing to do with criminality of some people that may also have that religion, but where the religion is not the correlation, but a coincidence.

And freedom of religion does not impact the freedom of opinion, so one can criticize any religion without affecting the freedom of religion.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by andrekandre » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 10:40 PM UTC

mupuff1234 wrote: post #69

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  > specific type of immigrants that are against western liberal values

by this do you mean to say immigrants should be evaluated based on their group association or by individual merit?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by bigbillheck » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 10:41 PM UTC

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #151

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This place is full of those people, and the rule seems to be that you can be as racist as you want as long as you're genteel about it and don't actively start dropping slurs.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by davemccrea » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 10:41 PM UTC

codr7 wrote: post #179

I grew up in Sweden, moved around a bit in Europe and lately came back. What worries me about the country is not primarily gang criminality, but the general degradation of everything that was once good about Swedish society. Probably still better than a lot of places. Immigrants who come here often praise the system, how well everything works here; but they have no idea how well it used to work.

Can you offer some specifics? In what parts of Swedish society is this degradation most acute?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by jacquesm » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 10:42 PM UTC

AdrianB1 wrote: post #234

jacquesm wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because freedom of religious persecution is enshrined in a large number of core laws simply because we have already seen what can happen if you don't have that kind of provision.

Freedom of religion has nothing to do with criminality of some people that may also have that religion, but where the religion is not the correlation, but a coincidence. And freedom of religion does not impact the freedom of opinion, so one can criticize any religion without affecting the freedom of religion.

GP asked a question: that was an answer to that question. That there are other factors at play is pretty obvious but if you want to target one religion you will have to target all religions. And that's not going to happen. Hopefully.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by yencabulator » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 10:42 PM UTC

Dear Americans, please remember that European crises are very relative.

Deaths from assault by firearm per million

Sweden, 2020: about 5.5 (from the bar chart)

USA, 2021: 43

(https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-... 48,830 deaths, 43% of those are homicides, population of 331.9 million)

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by gosub100 » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 10:43 PM UTC

oblio wrote: post #223

nickdothutton wrote: post #136

I’ve watched this story grow over the last decades or so. There is no gang problem, its just a conspiracy theory/propaganda. There is a gang problem but it’s overstated. There is a serious gang problem. There is a serious gang problem but it’s bikers. There is a serious gang problem, OK, it’s not bikers. There is a serious gang problem, it’s immigrants and immigrant descended Swedes, but it’s Sweden’s fault for not i…

What are the next phases?

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