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Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by johnyzee »

mrec wrote: post #225
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tortoise and hare, perhaps. Starship development started in 2012, and now 11 years later has had 2nd launch and failure to reach orbit. Apollo program started in 1961 and had men on the moon in 1969 - with 60's tech.

To be fair, Apollo also had government funding to the tune of approximately 2.5% of GDP. Starship would probably go a bit faster too with an annual budget of half a trillion.

Still very impressive. We all know that adding more resources to a project does not necessarily make it go faster.

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Post by mft_ »

belter wrote: post #77

Sounds like they lost both stages but it was glorious. Still progress. This will add another 6 months to a year before another try...

Eh. The first integrated test was on 17th April '23. With everything that went wrong, including the huge damage to the pad and all of the (slightly hysterical) speculation and outrage that followed, it took them 7 months (almost to the day) to refly.

This time, after a vastly more successful and competent second test, you think it'll take even longer to refly?

SpaceX will likely be ready within a couple of months; then you add the regulatory approvals.

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Post by Podgajski »

erupt7893 wrote: post #214
KennyBlanken wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The moon landings are historically seen through an almost exclusively middle class, white eye. The "magnitude" was definitely reduced if you were poor and/or black. The "magnitude" of the US Space Shuttle program was definitely reduced for me even as a white kid; I got to watch the shuttle launch on a TV rolled into the classroom, and then go right back to reading my mangled, outdated science textbook, watching my te…

So you believe if there was no moon program then we would magically have universal healthcare, housing, non-punitive criminal justice systems. Very ignorant take

If people had more humanity, they would be focusing on getting universal healthcare housing, and a non-punitive justice system before we focus things like putting a few humans on a rock in space.

Why is it that the most difficult things to do are the most caring things?

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Post by [deleted] »

newsclues wrote: post #223
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tortoise and hare, perhaps. Starship development started in 2012, and now 11 years later has had 2nd launch and failure to reach orbit. Apollo program started in 1961 and had men on the moon in 1969 - with 60's tech.

Apollo was also dual use military technology to accelerate the development

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Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by thelittleone »

api wrote: post #204
travisgriggs wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small correction, I think. The booster appeared to survive hot staging fine. It went through quite a bit of it's flip back maneuver. It was awesome to watch. There were some interesting activations of engines in the booster engine ring at that point. It's unclear to me if that was anticipated as an offset subset was what was desired for the off axis maneuver, or things were degrading at that point. And then it blowed…

It was probably self destructed by the range safety officer if things were going south.

Demonstrative Flight Termination System (if booster did FTS rather than RUD) might have been more desirable than a splashdown. For instance, FTS proven to operate effectively for FAA to see.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by thelittleone »

hackeraccount wrote: post #216
ironyman wrote: post #89

- Starship got just below orbit - Booster destroyed during hot staging - SpaceX reporting that destruct system fired on upper stage towards end of burn all in all a pretty good result: clean launch and separation, good performance on the booster during ascent (no engine mishaps this time)

Below orbit is a strange way to put it. Orbit is more speed then height. Google says it was going 1,400 mph when it was lost. Orbital speed is around 17,600 miles per hour. The goal was something just under orbital speed. Not that this wasn't totally amazing. Hopefully the launch pad wasn't damaged and they can crunch the data and have another test that gets further soon.

It was doing ~24,000km/h which is ~15,000mph.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by Podgajski »

DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #192
Podgajski wrote: post #119

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That was my point, you talk about new eras, but nothing changes. Who is this new for? You, me, or the billionaires who make lives like mine horrible? It’s all spectacle, and where will it all lead? We landed men on the moon, and haven’t been back. What is SpaceX going to use for going to Mars? Are you gonna be the one that’s going or are they gonna leave you behind to rot here on this burning planet?

You would have said the same thing about airplanes at the turn of the 20th century and dismissed them as fads for rich people. Or about computers. Or the internet. And yet here you are. > you talk about new eras, but nothing changes. And yes, it does affect my life. I have dreamed my whole life of this stuff happening. After growing up in a "third world" country, I navigated the byzantine US immigration system, went…

What you’re telling me here is that you’re just being selfish. This is good for you so it should be good for all of humanity. I’m sorry, but it’s not.

I appreciate a lot of good things when they happen. I’m saying this this is not a good thing. Do you think it’s a good thing because it made your life better. But you’re only seeing it from your perspective. You don’t have a holistic view of the world.

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Post by imetatroll »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #93
geocrasher wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the fact that it survived long enough for the second stage to get on its way was incredible in itself. We'll see how it goes!

Both the booster and ship have been destroyed. SpaceX can keep claiming these RUDs are 'fine' and 'we're getting data', but the rest of the industry does not consider it normal or a "success." Hotstaging didn't "work" until they can demonstrate the Starship vehicle survives orbital insertion, re-entry, and landing without damage or malfunction caused by the hotstaging.

The way you dismiss SpaceX's accomplishments is just hilarious. As if you are some "insider" in the space industry. ROLF. SpaceX is awesome and inspiring in what it is doing.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by t0mas88 »

ByThyGrace wrote: post #227
cdash wrote: post #220

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Just want to add another comment in here that there is no manual termination, they are using a fully automatic flight termination system.

Surely the final Starship carrying passengers will not have auto flight termination?

Imagine explaining to the court that the passengers were blown up by your AI algorithm...

I expect these things are only on test flights indeed.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Post by DarmokJalad1701 »

Podgajski wrote: post #237
DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would have said the same thing about airplanes at the turn of the 20th century and dismissed them as fads for rich people. Or about computers. Or the internet. And yet here you are. > you talk about new eras, but nothing changes. And yes, it does affect my life. I have dreamed my whole life of this stuff happening. After growing up in a "third world" country, I navigated the byzantine US immigration system, went…

What you’re telling me here is that you’re just being selfish. This is good for you so it should be good for all of humanity. I’m sorry, but it’s not. I appreciate a lot of good things when they happen. I’m saying this this is not a good thing. Do you think it’s a good thing because it made your life better. But you’re only seeing it from your perspective. You don’t have a holistic view of the world.

> This is good for you so it should be good for all of humanity. I’m sorry, but it’s not.

You asked me how it impacts me and I answered.

> But you’re only seeing it from your perspective. You don’t have a holistic view of the world.

You are failing to see the holistic view yourself because you seem to be having a bad time. Lowering the cost of mass-to-orbit by a couple of orders of magnitude significantly changes what can be done in space. This includes truly massive satellites (e.g. https://www.k2space.com/) that can provide services for Earth that were not possible before. In-space manufacturing of materials that cannot be made easily on Earth. Moving polluting industries off the surface, mining of resources from space (for use in space or on the surface if it is valuable enough) and much more. It is a feed-back loop that will compound into massive changes.

All of that and more will impact the whole of humanity in a very positive way.

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