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Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by exitb »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #194
schleck8 wrote: post #97

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This is like a supervillain origin story, Greg and Sam are 100 % going to start something new now, even if it's just out of spite with how much both seem to have liked their work at OpenAI

I don't think its possible, at least for the foreseable future, they were heavily over indexed on Azure offering them discounted compute, not like they're gonna buy that amount of GPU elsewhere

I can imagine both Apple and Google happily positioning themselves in the same type of relationship as OpenAI-Microsoft.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by calf »

clauderoux wrote: post #70
Tohhou wrote: post #35

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You must not use AI if you think this. AI is not the bubble. Everything AI will replace is the bubble.

AI today is in a weird position. What I can do today with AI was _inimaginable_ just 1 year ago. However, for a lot of people, the concept has worn out so fast, that they don't realize anymore what has happened... Some very intelligent people said some very silly things, such as that it was a bad search engine (it isn't a search engine) that it was a glorified word guesser (it doesn't exactly work as your telephone w…

> Talking to a computer to bring it to make some quite complicated task is INCREDIBLE...

Are there any good examples of this? I struggle to use ChatGPT, maybe I'm using it not cleverly (or deeply) enough.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by Rastonbury »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #43
dschuetz wrote: post #20

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I agree AI is useful, but not to that extent to what it is valued on the market. I do not think that AI companies can deliver as much as they promise. With the driving core at OpenAI basically gone, I bet they will soon implode under the weight of their promises. Which means, investors will start pulling out their stakes. boom

Even if OpenAI implodes it will hardly impact other LLM-focused startups. In fact it would probably be a boon for them as people search for GPT alternatives. Sam & Greg could start a new AI company by Monday and instantly achieve unicorn valuation. Hardly a burst.

This is almost certain to happen if they can snag the talent, I bet his phone is blowing up with VCs right now, revenge move and now unshackled from a non-profit nature of OpenAI

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by konschubert »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #226
konschubert wrote: post #208

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I don't think microsoft has the culture to be competitive on the cutting edge of AI. If they try to integrate OpenAI, they will suffocate it.

So did Google some with DeepMind. All the big innovations were at DeepMind, and then they got bought, stifled and absorbed. Big companies have a hard time innovating, so buy it.

And then, 80% of the time, they suffocate what they bought.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

konschubert wrote: post #212
aidaman wrote: post #156

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Most of the time the technology is not building an artificial intelligent computer that is capable of superhuman reasoning. Have you used gpt4? it's reasoning capabilities match human ability. The more you think about it, the more scary the reality becomes. GPT 4 can reason through any mental exercise as well as a human. The rest of the work to make it autonomous is simple in comparison.

> GPT 4 can reason through any mental exercise as well as a human. So can I. And yet, people don't consider me an existential threat. Mostly because I do not have nukes.

Yes. This point is almost always missed. 'Human Level' itself is not very high. And, 'Human Level' is still like Homer "doh, they unplugged me".

Current GPT doesn't have a physical threat.

But, take something like the movie "Colossus". Where they did give control of nukes. That was scary.

Now, go watch the Netflix show about AI. This GPT stuff is so far just fun apps.

The military already has AI that can out pilot a human in a F-16, you think it will stop there ? That is probably already old news.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by romafirst3 »

makapuf wrote: post #221
romafirst3 wrote: post #179

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Seriously, do we honestly believe 80 hours a week coding is a good thing. What, is he this bad at coding. What about he spends 4 hours a week coding cause he’s so good at coding. Way more impressive.

80h a week doing stuff does not prove your level at it, it proves your work capacity. Being good at something lies in the result and/or appreciation of your work by skilled pairs, which also seem to be there.

So why even claim he did 80 hours a week coding, while also being the chairman of the board?

Can we get a pllleeeeeeaaaase????

He’s clearly a terrible programmer and/or a terrible chairman and to be honest this news says he’s at least 1 of 2 on the above.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by bananapub »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #27

Makes me wonder whether to keep building upon OpenAI? Given that they have an API and it takes effort to build on that vs. something else. I am small fry but maybe other people are wondering the same? Can they give reassurances about their products going into the future?

it's business and systems design 101 to actually worry about your dependencies. regardless of this drama, you should have thought about what you'd do if OpenAI shut down, or become your competitor, or gets worse, or is bought by MS or something.

> Can they give reassurances about their products going into the future?

emotional comfort is not the thing you should be looking for mate.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by eurekin »

nottorp wrote: post #152
eurekin wrote: post #86

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The interesting to boring scale depends on novelty. Given the ai oversaturation it works exactly as expected. AI Art is currently in very early stage. In the real art space (3d modeling, sculpting, animation, vfx, animation, rigging, retargeting), it could make huge breakthroughs and multiply true artists' productivity in significant ways

I've noticed that those who worship productivity tend to appreciate "content creators" not artists :)

During my brief venture into 3d graphics I often found that 1 hour of truly creating is spaced between ten hours of fixing up UV's, redoing topology, finding cause for the seam, trying to make a watertight mesh for photon tracing, fighting the subdivision algorithm to retain details, diverting a edge loop, where it causes the less distress.

I call the first hour true productivity. The last part is, from the perspective of the end product, simply a wasted time. That's very similar to the boilerplate code everybody agrees is a necessary evil in the programming.

If AI allows to reduce the #2 it truly will have positive impact

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by urbandw311er »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #219
system2 wrote: post #188

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They think they are being cute and cool. "Look I am sloppy and don't care how others perceive me".

it takes extra steps to add capitals. and spell checking a short text? can you not figure out what is being said? imagine being someone that is just being quick, and everyone around you is inferring some motive like 'being cool', when really he isn't thinking of your perceptions at all.

It’s hardly a “short text” it’s effectively his resignation speech.

Each to their own I guess. For me the attempted use of correct punctuation is a reassuring social norm. It reassures me that those entrusted with power are able to pay attention to details and conventions.

To put it another way, if we can’t trust these guys to even write a message properly, how can we trust them with the stewardship of the most advanced AI the world has ever seen?

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