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As somebody currently working at an automaker on software systems, the amazing thing to me is that a mess up of this level doesn’t happen weekly. It’s rough out here.
What's the priority then, telemetry data? Why is it rough out there?
Is it possible, as a licensee of the Rivian vehicle system, to disable the automatic OTA updates without having expert-level knowledge or tooling? Also, yes, I'm specifically avoiding using the word "owner" above for obvious reasons.
It's easy to underestimate how hard and expensive it is to build, deploy, and remotely upgrade software that runs reliably on a fleet of diverse cars (different models, different years, slightly different components from batch to batch, etc.). It makes updating a mobile phone OS look trivial in comparison. So far, only Tesla seems to be able to update car software remotely, regularly and reliably. I'm certain it's ne…
Forget updates entirely. My car is one of the few places I expect to get software that works the first time. If you absolutely must have updates, then at least not OTA updates. Have them done at the dealership or service center so any issues can be dealt with immediately. Come on, is this engineering or hacking? This is a car, not a CRUD app. Get. It. Right.
This incident does NOT give me confidence that Rivian is likely to offer a better alternative to CarPlay, despite their statements otherwise.
I suspect the EX90 will be what I land on eventually.
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What amazes me is that any grown up person thinks it is a good idea to update vehicles as if they were telephones Owners should have to bring the vehicle into a shop to have changes made, and they should be very rare. This lazy, control freakery of the worst kind Something very bad is going on happen and people will die before we realize that it is a stupid dangerous practice
I understand the sentiment, but think about the alternatives. There are a few different kinds of updates that can be applied, each with their own protective layers. Infotainment updates, like what happened to Rivian aren't that dangerous. You lose "convienience features" like maps, air con, etc, but generally nothing that could kill you or someone else. Then there's system updates, which is where danger noodle things…
It’s stupid that we invented a way to not only remotely break an on/off switch but also a culture that rolls the dice on that until the inevitable happens.
I built a whole remote software update mechanism for a control binary that ran on 25k+ servers across multiple data centers. Rest assured that after the first time I messed it up (which required ssh into each box individually), I wrote a lot of unit and integration tests to make sure that it never failed to deploy again. One of the integration tests ensured that the app started up and could always go through the inte…
As somebody currently working at an automaker on software systems, the amazing thing to me is that a mess up of this level doesn’t happen weekly. It’s rough out here.
Move fast and break things that move fast… I don’t really like or trust most (if not all) of the established automakers, but there is something to be said for having several decades (over a century in some cases) of experience building potential killing machines vs. a company that’s not even 15 years old. The established players have put out cars which suffered freak malfunctions, but Rivian (and Tesla) seem to be st…
The moving fast components were unaffected by this issue…