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Re: Facebook acquires Instagram

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I don't see anyone reacting "Instawho?", let alone doing so "quite rightly". Instagram is extremely popular. Stories about how Instagram's backend works have been at the top of the front page on HN for weeks. I think you think this is some kind of Jets/Eagles thing here, and I'm wearing the green jersey. No. I don't have a side, and I don't think the competitive battle happening here is rational ; I just acknowledge…

Small point: Your Jets Eagles analogy is really opaque. I'm still not even sure if you realize they both wear green jerseys. (I assume that was the point, but it's most unclear.)

MY VENEER OF FOOTBALL CREDIBILITY. IT'S RUINED!

(I know that rivalry from the Patton Oswalt movie).

Re: Facebook acquires Instagram

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You are just seeing the good cases here. A 10X return on any one investment pays for all the bad investments. If I remember correctly, the return that Sequoia got on their YouTube investment paid for the entire portfolio many times over. But more importantly than that, I think it was one of a very few that were good in that fund. I believe that particular fund was particularly bad because it contained remnants of the…

yeah, but they paid $1 BILLION dollar for a company with NO business model. This buy was just another way for connected Silicon players to cash out on the facebook IPO, since the IPO window for web 2.0 is closed.

Google bought YouTube for $1.65B when YouTube didn't have business model. It was critiqued a lot because of this, but it established Google as a dominant player in video space and it's ripest fruits might be seen in coming years when media consumption moves more and more to mobile.

I grant that $1B sounds a lot for Instagram and it is harder to see similar commercial value in photos than in videos.

My personal take is that in addition to friend connections, already posted photos could be the strongest lock-in for users that Facebook has against future competitors.

Re: Facebook acquires Instagram

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Ahhh....good point. That does change the formula a bit, but even still...what's the likely 1 year return on pre-IPO FB stock? 3X if so much? I doubt it. Anyway, it's better than 2X, so I guess they can't be pissed.

But, quite possibly, it could be .5X, or .25X... Current FB valuation is somewhere around 25X revenue ...

P/E is around 100.

Re: Facebook acquires Instagram

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yeah, but they paid $1 BILLION dollar for a company with NO business model. This buy was just another way for connected Silicon players to cash out on the facebook IPO, since the IPO window for web 2.0 is closed.

Google bought YouTube for $1.65B when YouTube didn't have business model. It was critiqued a lot because of this, but it established Google as a dominant player in video space and it's ripest fruits might be seen in coming years when media consumption moves more and more to mobile. I grant that $1B sounds a lot for Instagram and it is harder to see similar commercial value in photos than in videos. My personal take i…

YouTube has a business model now, but is it a profitable business unit? (I'm not trolling; this is a serious question about business models.)

Re: Facebook acquires Instagram

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I have to say: it's nice to see an acquisition where the product is valued enough to not be summarily taken out back and shot. I'm curious how it fits into Facebook's product strategy though. It doesn't seem to be their style to keep a brand around that doesn't help their main brand somehow.

FriendFeed wasn't taken out back and shot either -- it's still running, albeit with some broken features. It doesn't hurt Facebook to leave a service running. With Instagram, I think it's a case of user acquisition trumping product strategy. If lots of people are joining Instagram, Facebook wants to own it regardless of how it fits with their main brand.

That Instagram would turn out like FriendFeed would be my major fear. I mean, who uses it any more?

Re: Facebook acquires Instagram

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I wonder if Facebook will force their sense of decorum onto Instagram. For example, there are people using Instagram to create interesting nude photography, which is something that is not allowed on Facebook (unless I am mistaken). In any case, I bet you can expect them to force everyone to use Facebook for logging in. Yahoo eventually forced us Flickr users to get Yahoo accounts in order to log in.

According to their press release, Instagram will continue to work independently and use alternative networks. Until they prove otherwise with their actions, all anyone can do is speculate.

Re: Facebook acquires Instagram

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Can someone explain how this isn't insider trading? Day before deal: - Instagram closed a $50 million Series B round from Sequoia, Josh Kushner’s Thrive Capital, Greylock and Benchmark at a $500 million valuation. Day of deal: - Company gets purchased for 1 billion. - All investors instantly double investment.

It's not insider trading, since the stock is not traded on a public market : There's no presumption that all the facts are out in the open. As long as there's no misrepresentation, it's all 'just business'. How about : "Let me invest right now, so that I won't vote against the FB offer you've got on the table". Or "If you let me invest now, I can make a recommendation to the FB board that they acquire you".

Thank you :)

Re: Facebook acquires Instagram

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Some of you might find this useful: https://instagram.com/accounts/remove/request/

When I read the headline I thought two things: a) Wow, the Instagram guys deserve it, congrats to them. b) I need to delete my account. The second point is because I have been actively trying to avoid giving fb more data than absolutely necessary. No ill will towards Instagram.

>I need to delete my account //

Surely it's already too late. They bought your data.

Why do we allow companies to sell personal data on as part of the company? Should this be legislated against?

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