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There's a sure-fire way to avoid 100% of YouTube ads without paying a cent, though.
What’s that?
Don't watch Youtube videos.
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so you get your "402 Payment Required".
Not really. They insist on sending it to me for free with ads included.
Literally this entire thing is about Youtube refusing to send the video to non-premium users who are blocking ads. Do you even know what you're commenting on?
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> "99% of videos on youtube", not "99% of videos I watch". And in the context, this is even less sensible. 99% of content on Netflix is what "you" don't watch. So there's literally no difference on that point for YT and Netflix. > The issue is that even paying for YouTube isn't enough to not see any ads on YouTube. Native ads are skippable and are already providing revenue for the creator - skipping them doesn't affe…
>99% of content on Netflix is what "you" don't watch. "I don't watch this" and "I would never watch this under any circumstance" are different. >Have you ever worked at a production company? Because providing legal, logistical and marketing support is also what production companies do - that is what YouTube provides to creators. If you apply the same logic, then Universal Media Group isn't a production company - beca…
> "I don't watch this" and "I would never watch this under any circumstance" are different.
OK. How is this even relevant. Both YouTube and Netflix have easily over 90% of content that "I would never watch under any circumstance"(which is already a false statement on your part).
> What you're saying is that production companies provide logistics
Way to ignore literally everything else I wrote.
> But the vast majority of the content that drives traffic to YouTube is not produced by them.
Same goes for Netflix
When you move the goalpost, make sure that where you move it supports your argument.
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I feel like you're right about initial value proposition, but it doesn't seem odd to me at all. There are other things about treating youtube as netflix/hbo/hulu: - I can't upload random video to the netflix, and I have a certain expectation regarding content there - 99% of videos on youtube are not something I would pay for or expected to be paid for uploading - I can pay for youtube subscription and would still get…
> content of interest could be deleted next second HBO hasn't exactly been great about this either
That problem is everywhere no matter what service you pay for. The root cause is copyright. Only abolishing copyright will solve that.
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> Still has ads hardcoded in videos. You're talking about when the content creator puts an ad in their video? What would you have Google do about that?
> You're talking about when the content creator puts an ad in their video? Correct. > What would you have Google do about that? Block them. Just like we do.
Netflix should also block movies with product placement. /s
On a more serious note, that would be google editorializing the content which I don't want. If a channel is advertising their upcoming tour, or advertising Patreon or Nebula, should google block them too? Do you want google's content policy to prevent users from mentioning or showing any product?
You're free to only watch creators that don't put ads in their videos you know.
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As another has said: we have a problem with dumping With giving youtube for free for long, to reduce the possibilities of other platforms, and then charging, when your library is "unbeatable"
>> when your library is "unbeatable" It isn't the library. Youtube's trove of videos will age fast if there was any meaningful alternative. What prevents any competitor is youtube's legal backing. They have already fought the RIAA/MPAA and the content rules of hundreds of jurisdictions. Youtube has deals, understandings, in place that allow youtube to keep going. But if anyone else tries to setup a similar video serv…
Vid.me did and it failed because no one wants to views ads and no one wants to pay for a subscription. They gained a lot of traction too and were really flying for a bit. But eventually they had to become profitable without showing ads.
Youtube only exists because google was ok with not making any money from it for years.
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#237It strikes me as so odd that people readily pay for netflix, hulu, HBO etc, but when the idea of paying for youtube comes along, who directly profit shares with small creators you adore, people fall over backwards in disgust. I guess it has to do with initial value proposition. If you hand out lemonade for free, people are going to be pissed when you start charging a dollar, regardless of how good of a deal it is. Ev…
Google is immorally trying to control the web, is a significant difference. I pay creators through patreon or their tip jars, and it's rather more than they'd make from me paying Google.
So... Logically, you also don't use YouTube and watch their videos on Patreon... Because Patreon also hosts videos.
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#238Controls "the Internet"? Rather it shows how many of you are addicted to YouTube and free content
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#239It strikes me as so odd that people readily pay for netflix, hulu, HBO etc, but when the idea of paying for youtube comes along, who directly profit shares with small creators you adore, people fall over backwards in disgust. I guess it has to do with initial value proposition. If you hand out lemonade for free, people are going to be pissed when you start charging a dollar, regardless of how good of a deal it is. Ev…
NetFlix, Hulu, and HBO aren't trying to spy on everything I do online, and there's no evidence that paying for YouTube stops Google from doing that.
Google tracking you and you screwing over content creators using ad-blocking aren't inherently linked.
The majority of ad spend goes directly to content owners.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You're talking about when the content creator puts an ad in their video? Correct. > What would you have Google do about that? Block them. Just like we do.
Netflix should also block movies with product placement. /s On a more serious note, that would be google editorializing the content which I don't want. If a channel is advertising their upcoming tour, or advertising Patreon or Nebula, should google block them too? Do you want google's content policy to prevent users from mentioning or showing any product? You're free to only watch creators that don't put ads in their…
> Netflix should also block movies with product placement.
Absolutely.
One day someone much smarter than me will create an AI ad blocker that removes that sort of thing in real time.
> On a more serious note, that would be google editorializing the content which I don't want.
Have users collectively catalogue segments of the videos then. Pretty much what Sponsor Block does. I'm sure the highly paid engineers at Google can figure it out.
> If a channel is advertising their upcoming tour, or advertising Patreon or Nebula, should google block them too?
I don't consider those things advertising. I think they're just information. If I'm watching a video from a creator whose work I enjoy, I want to know where to find more stuff.
Getting paid deals from third parties and advertising their products on your video is a completely different matter. I didn't open the video to watch that.
> You're free to only watch creators that don't put ads in their videos you know.
God people repeat this like it's a mantra.
I'm free to do any number of things. Including blocking the segments I don't like and watching only the parts I care about. Why can't people accept that?
Besides, it's not like the videos come with a warning that tells you you're gonna be advertised to. The transition to the ad is abrupt and sudden on purpose so you can't even react.