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Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

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Post by Roark66 »

szundi wrote: post #227
antimora wrote: post #137

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For finding answers, Stack Overflow may be useful, but for posting questions, it is not. I ceased posting questions a while ago due to the aggressive moderation, which often labeled my questions as duplicates or too common. I was very upset with the direction Stack Overflow had taken, as it seemed to embody the very criticisms it had once had about forums. The Stack Overflow community has lost its vibrancy and has be…

Problem is ChatGPT is feeding on SO

Exactly. I've already hit the dreaded "knowledge cutoff" of 2021.

What happens when this training data is 10 years old? Where will we get new data?

In the meantime we'll get used to functioning with these models with assumption the "knowledge cutoff" will just be moved. But if there is little new data, how? Furthermore, how do we prevent feeding ML generated data to ML training in the first place?

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

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Post by corethree »

random_cynic wrote: post #212
corethree wrote: post #59

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Thats not the point. The point is who cares about the mistreatment. The objective is to get the relevant info. I'm one of the highest ranked people on SO. And guess what? All I do on SO is ask stupid ass questions. One time someone scolded me, said I should know better for asking a certain question that was against policy of something given that my rank was so high. You know what I said to him? Nothing. I just didn't…

> I'm one of the highest ranked people on SO. Here's a prototype of an average tone-deaf user of SO who think their imaginary internet points actually count. The point being raised here is the difficulty new users (with no imaginary internet points, but with dignity and self-respect) face while submitting a questions/answers to SO. Not people like you who've normalized the bullying for "getting info". Guess what, now…

Tone deaf isn't the word to describe anyone here. I think blind and stupid are the perfect two words to describe you.

if you ACTUALLY read the post you'll see that I literally said I asked the stupidest freaking questions ever. My entire post is trying to prove to him that asking dumb shit questions on SO is harmless and can even net you empty worthless points to be one of the top posters.

I don't even answer questions or ask smart questions on SO. I direct all the stupidest and most embarrassing questions I've ever had to that platform.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

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Post by corethree »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #109
bombcar wrote: post #99

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The problem isn't the people asking questions, there will always be an infinite number of those . It's the moderation scaring away the people who answer questions. Just because they haven't shooed away everyone doesn't mean they haven't had an impact. I know that I no longer browse relevant SO topics "for fun" anymore.

Funny, it's the lack of moderation that scared me away from answering. (And I say that as someone who's… kinda been scared away from asking by excessive moderation.) It's the age-old question: how can Stack Overflow be all these different things to all these different people, simultaneously?

Don't be scared of moderation. Just ask the question. If it gets shut down, you can ask again via copy+paste. Just edit the question slightly so it doesn't piss someone else off.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

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Post by einpoklum »

antimora wrote: post #137
bryanlarsen wrote: post #103

Am I the only one that still finds SO to be quite useful? If I paste an error message into Google, it's still quite likely that the SO answer is the best one. And if it doesn't, I contribute an answer if/when I eventually find it because I still think I get more out of SO than I put in. I've received 21 necromancer badges doing that.

For finding answers, Stack Overflow may be useful, but for posting questions, it is not. I ceased posting questions a while ago due to the aggressive moderation, which often labeled my questions as duplicates or too common. I was very upset with the direction Stack Overflow had taken, as it seemed to embody the very criticisms it had once had about forums. The Stack Overflow community has lost its vibrancy and has be…

> For finding answers, Stack Overflow may be useful, but for posting questions, it is not.

That is mostly as it should be. The primary original intent of StackOverflow is to curate a good Q&A, not to provide an interactive support/mentoring service. Questions are (supposed to be) evaluated by what they add to the repository of questions and answers.

That being said - there has certainly been a culture of harshness in relating to newbie question askers on large parts of the SO.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

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Post by injidup »

radicalbyte wrote: post #132
mellosouls wrote: post #118

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ChatGPT generally solves stuff quicker and more precisely for me. I have yet to receive a badge but could add that to the prompt or custom instructions as an alternative to its encouraging words when I'm nearly there.

It does now. If StackOverflow stopped then it would certainly not be as useful in several years time.

It will just learn directly from the code suggestions it gives you. Did you use the suggestion it gave you? Did you fix it manually? Did you generate or write a test case that passed for the suggestion. There are many ways for such a system to learn.

Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

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Post by [deleted] »

matkoniecz wrote: post #220
gunapologist99 wrote: post #153

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> While closing random questions as duplicates of similar but different question is obnoxious, downvoting "do my homework for me" questions is very useful. In what way? Who really cares if it's homework or a newbie question? Are you such an expert in everything that you never ask newbie questions? This arrogant attitude is toxic, spreads quickly, and poisons far too many communities. I'm grateful to dang et al that H…

> Who really cares if it's homework or a newbie question? Answering "do my homework for me" is helping cheaters.

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Re: Stack Overflow is laying off another 28%

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Post by radicalbyte »

injidup wrote: post #235
radicalbyte wrote: post #132

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It does now. If StackOverflow stopped then it would certainly not be as useful in several years time.

It will just learn directly from the code suggestions it gives you. Did you use the suggestion it gave you? Did you fix it manually? Did you generate or write a test case that passed for the suggestion. There are many ways for such a system to learn.

..until the next generation comes along who have only ever learned to code with AI doing most of the work....
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