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YouTube TV, which costs $73 a month, agrees to end "$600 less than cable" ads

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post #86

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Tech giants have successfully transformed live TV, simply by killing it completely. No one under 35 subscribes to any kind of live TV service today other than to watch sports, and in another decade that will be fully online as well (look at the inroads Amazon and Apple are already making in that space). Some of the best new TV content is increasingly owned by Netflix, Amazon, Apple and the like. Cable TV and any kind…

The problem is that “to watch sports” bit. Apart from pirating, the only way to watch, say, NFL Football, your local baseball team and say Division 1 College Football games is gonna be with one of those $70/mo+ packages. I would love to just pay directly for the sports/leagues I care about, but that’s just not an option.

Take a league like MLS, for instance. Their Apple TV deal is worth about $250M/year.

To hit that revenue number on, say, a hypothetical $90/year ($10/month for 9 months) standalone league pass subscription, they'd need about 2.8M subscribers. And that doesn't figure in the distribution costs of either rolling their own live sports streaming service or more likely whitelabeling one.

Most MLS matches broadcast on cable have fewer than 400k viewers. Many have fewer than 125k. It's hard to imagine that 3M people would consistently fork over $10/month for that.

Providers will almost always pay more for some degree of exclusivity (and more stably — the MLS deal is for 10 years) than consumers will bear on their own. It's ultimately a marketing expense for providers banking on subscriber growth, something consumers aren't willing to shoulder directly for a standalone league service.

Where streaming passes have worked are on the team level for those with global brands, where they can provide exclusive content to diehard fans. But again they tend to be expensive marketing arms and not the team's primary revenue stream, which is still league TV/media contracts.

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It has been so long since last I saw any ad on TV/videos that when I subscribed to YouTube TV a few months ago, watching ads made me nostalgic. I told my wife that I was really enjoying these ads. But after about a week it got really annoying. Now debating if it is worth keeping.

Lol, you're every marketer's dream! Or were, anyway.

Lol, I was actually defending ads. Like ads are perfect for taking a break to grab snacks or use restroom. Also ads provide pretty good stopping point, we are not as much binge watching TV as when on Netflix. Even when you can forward ads, it still makes you get out of the show into the real world and you realize how much TV you have been watching.

Maybe Ad industry should promote these benefits, so people will hate ads less.

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#233
post #28

I pay $73 a month to watch 1 Liverpool game a week (max), 1 Buffalo Bills game per week (maybe), and a smattering of NBA games. I'd so much rather just give the money directly to the teams and/or leagues.

To watch your EPL team you need Youtube TV, Peacock Premium, Paramount Plus (UCL/UEL) and ESPN plus (domestic cups) :/ Youtube TV is the most expensive of the bunch, going to see if there are any other options like IPTV

Sling is pretty good if you're trying to save and only want EPL clubs.

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post #108

Are people here really so young that they never had to deal with traditional cable subscriptions? Let me tell you what it was like. You signed up for Comcast, paid a $50+ installation fee, prayed that the technician would even show up in the allotted window, paid $100-150 month for basic service, paid for a cable box/modem rental, paid for HD, paid for DVR, paid for each extra TV in your house, paid for premium chann…

"We had it worse, stop complaining" is a super gross take. It was shitty for us, but that doesn't erase someone's current burden.

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post #228

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> they have to give me 1 free cable card by law. At least in the US, that is no longer the case. The FCC dropped the cable card in 2020. HDHomeRun cancelled their newer cable 6 tuner on that news. I was looking into getting one for a Plex server at the time.

Ugh...I also have a Plex server.

Well if you still have the cable card, you can still get their older HDHomeRun tuner that only has 3 tuners (the cancelled one did 6 streams at once) and use that in Plex.

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I know not exactly what you're looking for but I bought RedZone for the first time through the NFL+ app this year and it's so nice to just have that and not fuss with any other service.

Sunday Ticket is different than RedZone. RedZone is a single channel that jumps between games; Sunday Ticket gives you unfettered access to all games.

Right, which is why I said “not exactly what you’re looking for”. Was just highlighting that RedZone is purchasable *independently* through an app with little to no fuss.

Re: YouTube TV, which costs $73 a month, agrees to end "$600 less than cable" ads

#237

I’m subscribed to them for the same reason I was subscribed to DirecTV for a decade - they have a monopoly on Sunday Ticket. Oh, how I yearn for Sunday Ticket to just be its own entity so I didn’t have to buy another service.

As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, if mlb tv could release a subscription without blackouts I would no longer need YouTube tv. Same kind of problem.

I have a separate Wi-Fi network in my house that routes through a VPN in a city I’m not located in that I point my AppleTV too whenever I want to watch local MLB games. Works like a charm. Just remember to turn off location services for the MLB app in AppleTV.

Re: YouTube TV, which costs $73 a month, agrees to end "$600 less than cable" ads

#238
post #108

Are people here really so young that they never had to deal with traditional cable subscriptions? Let me tell you what it was like. You signed up for Comcast, paid a $50+ installation fee, prayed that the technician would even show up in the allotted window, paid $100-150 month for basic service, paid for a cable box/modem rental, paid for HD, paid for DVR, paid for each extra TV in your house, paid for premium chann…

"We had it worse, stop complaining" is a super gross take. It was shitty for us, but that doesn't erase someone's current burden.

In a way, yes. It gets to a point people cannot appreciate how great they have it.

Re: YouTube TV, which costs $73 a month, agrees to end "$600 less than cable" ads

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post #212

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Because there's enough people like me to make it profitable. I don't want to feel committed every time I turn on the TV. Sometimes I just like to watch whatever's on, carefree. Different strokes, all equally valid.

Similarly, I've got the first 20 or so seasons of The Simpsons on DVD, and after watching them once with the commentary on I never watched them again. But I would watch the two episodes a day that my local Fox affiliate would broadcast. If I actually pick a specific episode to watch (or nowadays to stream) it somewhere seems like I need to pay more attention to it than when I was watching a regularly scheduled syndic…

the shuffle button in plex serves this purpose, it's a shame few commercial streaming services offer this.
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