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Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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How people continue to trust buying anything from Google is just beyond me. I am glad that they are doing something for schools, but this is just ridiculous. Shutting down a free service that you didn't have to buy into, fine whatever. It still sucks but at least you didn't invest in a platform. But if you are going to make a physical device you cannot treat it like you treat everything else.

You might even think people who make these decisions at Google would be embarrassed at this point.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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I like the way (good) chalkboards look but touching chalk sets my teeth on edge.

You mean because of the squeaking sound that sometimes happens? Break the chalk in half to get rid of the resonance!

Nah, dusty and gross-feeling and dries out my hands.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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I work in IoT and my single goal working in the industry is to do as much as I can (which will likely still be small) to make devices that are entirely separable from the cloud by enabling the use of different services and by being local-fist. Imagine if private organizations built their own road network and then sold you a car that can only be driven on that road. Once that company goes out of business, the road van…

I work in IoT as well and definitely try to implement as much as possible locally as well. What companies seem to forget is that any part of the product that's cloud hosted becomes an ongoing cost that goes up in proportion to the number of devices sold. The less you have in the cloud (generally) the better the economics for the manufacturer.

Yeah, I think the problem is that we’ve been taught that pre-optimization is the root of all evil and that we should getting it working before improving upon it.

Pre-optimization became a thing because enthusiasts liked the challenge of creating an elegant solution, but I posit that it continued because devs knew they were not going to be getting back to fixing inefficient code if it mostly worked. Usually stuff like this doesn’t matter when you’re leaking 5mb an hour on a 128gb dedicated server and you’re deploying at least twice per week. But when the devices that connect to you go from 10,000 to 1,000,000, you’re leaking 500mb an hour and then you have a problem very quickly.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Meanwhile Microsoft killed my Minecraft account that had been peacefully existing since 2012. Botched migration to MS accounts locked out everyone who no longer had access to their old email addresses.

All of what you just stated, every single issue, was addressed with emails, on-screen notifications, and MS Account notifications. Every single issue. The migration between Mojang and Microsoft took several years to complete. --- > Since 2021, millions of Java Edition players have switched over from their old accounts to Microsoft accounts. > https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/sections/12617909134221 > I don't have…

I can't migrate without access to my old email address unless I wrote down my gift code 11 years ago. I knew about this for 2 years, yet there was nothing I could do. I contacted MS support a few times with no response. Email access was never required until now, just the password, so of course a ton of other people had the same issue.

Also, this isn't my job to begin with. Suppose I simply didn't play the game for 2 years; I'd deserve to lose my account? If MS wants to migrate people to a new account system, it's definitely their job to do that automatically (or at least not lock existing users out), like with every other online service.

> Be more diligent with life

Please don't talk down to me. Microsoft created the "emergency" here, not that I take a Minecraft account anywhere near this seriously.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

#235

It's crazy to me that people keep willingly buying hardware that requires a service to work. You have a high up-front cost, yet you're at someone else's mercy. That's the worst of buying and renting combined. Obviously it isn't very profitable to keep supporting a product you've already sold at the moment, so something must be done to make it more attractive. At the very least there should be a support commitment whi…

Sadly, many schools making these purchases are painfully uninformed about tech, hence why we see so many consumer-hostile edtech subscriptions succeed. They definitely would benefit from some EoL transparency

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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We have a few of these in our office. The experience is decent, but, man, I really miss chalkboards. I just don't find whiteboards, physical or virtual, as compelling. I actually make some use of the Jamboard app in meetings occasionally, but usually I'm at a desk with my feet up, using a tablet to draw while everyone else is remote. Not only has Jamboard never been a first-class citizen, no whiteboard is a first-cla…

I worked in offices that had whiteboards and I never found anybody used them

Perhaps you didn't really need them. The team I worked in used them a lot but that is because we had two week intense brainstorming workshops several times a year. We would sometimes have half a dozen of us drawing and writing on a huge whiteboard at the same time, all the while arguing about what was the best way to solve this particular problem. This was in a combined electrical engineer/software developer/physicist team.

Without the whiteboard we would have been sketching on paper and would have been buried in waste paper within the hour.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in IoT and my single goal working in the industry is to do as much as I can (which will likely still be small) to make devices that are entirely separable from the cloud by enabling the use of different services and by being local-fist. Imagine if private organizations built their own road network and then sold you a car that can only be driven on that road. Once that company goes out of business, the road van…

I'm working on a IoT startup and we'd prefer to rent you the equipment as part of the service. That way there is no confusion. Having customers buy equipment they really don't own seems ridiculous to me.

How does that help someone who has built your product into their working procedures? When you decide to stop doing it they are in an even worse situation than the Jamboard users because presumably you will repossess the hardware.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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post #149

It's crazy to me that people keep willingly buying hardware that requires a service to work. You have a high up-front cost, yet you're at someone else's mercy. That's the worst of buying and renting combined. Obviously it isn't very profitable to keep supporting a product you've already sold at the moment, so something must be done to make it more attractive. At the very least there should be a support commitment whi…

I work in IoT and my single goal working in the industry is to do as much as I can (which will likely still be small) to make devices that are entirely separable from the cloud by enabling the use of different services and by being local-fist. Imagine if private organizations built their own road network and then sold you a car that can only be driven on that road. Once that company goes out of business, the road van…

You may be making a huge difference to a few people.

That the Pebble app has the option to connect to a third-party service provider (and that the Pebble works indefinitely without any connection to a phone, apart from some time drift) will probably keep my beloved watch alive over a decade past its official life span, maybe even longer.

It actually feels like something I own now, which makes a hell of a difference to me.

That it is like that probably comes down to a combination of tiny decisions during the development process in which the right people were in the right place.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

#239
It is not that expensive to set up a team of engineers to keep a product working for 10+ years. Microsoft had/has this. They called it "sustained engineering". They don't do any new feature work, just bug fixes and security issues on legacy software. The product team gets disbanded, and ownership is moved to sustained engineering. And they keep it running for years.

One of the reasons Google has so many failed product launches is because consumers don't trust them to provide long-term service and support. At some point they will need to realize that this behavior is inhibiting their ability to become more than just an ads company.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

#240

We have a few of these in our office. The experience is decent, but, man, I really miss chalkboards. I just don't find whiteboards, physical or virtual, as compelling. I actually make some use of the Jamboard app in meetings occasionally, but usually I'm at a desk with my feet up, using a tablet to draw while everyone else is remote. Not only has Jamboard never been a first-class citizen, no whiteboard is a first-cla…

> I have actually as productive is a chalkboard and a phone on a tripod, joining the phone to the VTC so people can see the chalkboard. I wish there was a better way to do that.

You should check out Huddly Canvas -- it's a USB whiteboard camera designed for just this use case.

https://www.huddly.com/conference-cameras/canvas/

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