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This is a peculiar marketing strategy. This 'news' has been pushed about every month in the last ~6 months, and even before in 2021 there have been similar 'stories'. But there is no battery. But they are near. Here is one from 2021 : https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-battery-bev-hev-solid... Enter the rabbit hole : https://hn.algolia.com/?q=toyota+battery
This is a peculiar marketing strategy. This 'news' has been pushed about every month in the last ~6 months, and even before in 2021 there have been similar 'stories'. But there is no battery. But they are near. Here is one from 2021 : https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-battery-bev-hev-solid... Enter the rabbit hole : https://hn.algolia.com/?q=toyota+battery
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> dug a grave of irrelevance A grave of irrelevance so deep that they are the world's largest automaker and their net margins just hit an all-time high. Sometimes I do wonder from which planet these HN remarks are sent.
It would probably make most sense to compare their EV sales to other companies EV sales. However I am sure that there are at least a few execs at toyota with your line of thinking: "Our ICE cars are selling better than ever, why are we wasting money on EV development?"
Now waiting for the catch here because this sounds too good to be true.
If you read into it some more Toyota has had this tech for a while, it’s real and it seems to work. Since battery life like this might be a step change, it will leave most EV manufacturers behind if they don’t have an answer. EV buyers may want to consider a used EV until new tech comes out, since old or current tech is not always worth paying new prices for. It might also be a factor in the relationship between Toyo…
Sounds like exactly what Toyota is hoping for with regular press releases like this. Shutting down competitors electric sales while consumers wait for this someday-tech would be fantastic for Toyota.
Until you can buy it, it's meaningless at best.
Toyota has been going hard on this story, no surprise since they dug a grave of irrelevance by anchoring themselves to hydrogen for decades. Even when it was clear EVs were the future and interest in hydrogen was barely registering. Also no surprise that they have nothing to show except a "just wait 5 years!".
> dug a grave of irrelevance A grave of irrelevance so deep that they are the world's largest automaker and their net margins just hit an all-time high. Sometimes I do wonder from which planet these HN remarks are sent.
Toyota has been going hard on this story, no surprise since they dug a grave of irrelevance by anchoring themselves to hydrogen for decades. Even when it was clear EVs were the future and interest in hydrogen was barely registering. Also no surprise that they have nothing to show except a "just wait 5 years!".
Would hydrogen make sense for really heavy vehicles like bus or truck, or even train? I think for cars it isn’t the most convenient. But at the same time hydrogen would be cool if it works because it’s so abundant. And it’s pretty cool that the hydrogen cars exhaust water.
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wouldnt hold your breathe.. they've been claiming solid state has been around the corner since like 2010
Still better than the kind of promises you'd get from Elon Musk, costing you 10K to get a FSD system to drive you into a wall. I like the fact that they show their intent without making you pay for it
On top of that they're lobbying hard spending a lot of money against government incentives against fossil fuels and pollution standards.
https://cleantechnica.com/2023/06/14/toyota-shareholder-revo....
> Toyota has lobbied against strict fuel efficiency standards in Australia and worldwide and is one of the top three funders of lobbyists against 100% battery electric vehicles (BEVs). Various Toyota executives have sent mixed messages about the future ascendency of hydrogen-powered cars, the efficacy of mild hybrids vs. BEVs, and a future BEV strategy based on solid-state batteries. None of these technologies have proven their worth yet, and I wonder if these messages are merely a ploy for Toyota to maintain its current hybrid vehicle (HEV) dominance and profit margins.
As with all news about battery technology, I will believe it when I can go out and buy it. Until then it is vapourware. Does anyone know why battery technology in particular is so rife with these "A battery that NEVER needs charging is just 3 years away!!!" Type press releases?
[0] https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Evolution-of-the-battery...
I'll believe it when I see it. There seems to be a lot of noise, confusion and FUD coming from Toyota lately.
> There seems to be a lot of noise, confusion and FUD coming from Toyota lately. Not really? The old CEO with his irrational hate of all-electric cars left, and Toyota is now free to catch up with the rest of the industry. And the best way to catch up has always been to leapfrog a tech generation ahead, rather than trying to copy what the competition designed last year.
Ten minutes. Is that lots of kW from the charger, or does it already pass 1MW?