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Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Privacy blog post. vercel-insights.com, www.google.com, 'Sign up with Google', Join 132,793 people from companies like: Microsoft, Amazon, facebook, Google, Disney "There it is again. That funny feeling."

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>"the XYZ corp is bad!"

>please stop supporting them

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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You mean... like this? https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-request...

I've read this a few times and I unfortunately can't understand how you meant this since it can be read a few different ways. Those links are for government data requests, but what's being requested in a privacy report for apps on the platform. Assuming you're asking if Apple should make a site like that but for non-government bad actors, I think the answer is "yes". That's the sort of transparency report being asked…

Yeah, that's all I'm asking, and maybe its linked to on their pages with info for each app.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Also, not all ads are the same from an ethical standpoint. Displaying an app ad in the appstore upon searching for a similar term is very different than displaying ads based on your whole life, collected in malicious ways.

I don't own an apple device now but why does app store have ads ? After paying upwards of $1000+ on a iPhone, why can't you expect an ad free experience on a first party app store?

Perhaps there is some sort of pressure by stockholders to have the ability to promote their own products and services on the device or just some sort of backroom dealings.

My personal hope is that Apple course corrects at some point that they do not need to extract the extra cash while damaging the customer experience. The company feels much less customer oriented now and has lost a lot of the premium feel. I have already stopped using their TV app because they have made it nearly non-functional with the amount of promoted content. The News app has an exceptional number of subscription only items in the feed to where I am about to go back to pure RSS. The feeling is like what Google would have done with Google Reader if it was still going stuffing in promotions.

I agree first party apps should be advertisement free if they are advertised as being included in the price of the phone. Otherwise it is a hidden bill you are paying with hours or days of your life that you can't get back.

I would pay for a service that just disabled all first party promotions advertisements. Give me the real price instead of wasting my valuable time with advertisements I would never click.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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> It doesn't make either "benign." It's literally benign by definition. benign adjective a: of a mild type or character that does not threaten health or life b: having no significant effect : harmless Provide evidence or argument that it's not benign.

All tracking is bad, therefore it's not benign. Benign tracking is no tracking.

> All tracking is bad

All absolutes are wrong. I can play that game, too.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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One big misconception here is the suggestion to clearly mark apps with "good" or "bad" privacy signs on App Store. In reality Apple does not consider apps like Threads "bad" in any sense, as long as those apps don't collect data without explicit user consent.

Also, "they just use fingerprinting" is a myth. Fingerprinting is never ending cat and mouse game between Apple and data collecting companies. In short, fingerprinting is not working reliably if you not actively improving it non-stop while risking App Store ban.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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This kind of blew my mind. People get soo invested in Apple's Walled Ecosystem. Imagine in 10 years, they flip on a dime and start selling your info. 1 company has health, finance, search/URL history, emails, all pictures ever, etc... Yikes times 100.

How is that untrue for nearly any computing platform?

I don't do any finance with Google or Microsoft, I def don't give any health info to Microsoft, I use degoogled browsers, so I don't think they are able to grab any URLs/searches(or if they do, its clear they arent current matching anything to my main account).

Every company gets a little bit of information, where as, I'm suggesting that in this particular case, 1 company gets everything.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Apple is using the data first-party only and isn't reselling or otherwise making it available for third parties to use. Explain how it's not benign, other than "tracking bad". How does it harm consumers, or put customers at risk?

Because it will. It's simply inevitable because of the system we live in. At some point or another, they will need to grow revenue and suddenly that trove of data they have collected beforehand, regardless of its initial purpose, will be used to screw customers. The only way to protect against this is to not let them have that in the first place. Once they have it, it's impossible to guarantee it won't be misused soo…

I don't think you're going to convince anyone by pulling some fiction out of thin air and trying to pass it off as inevitable truth. With regards to Apple, there's more evidence refuting you than supporting you.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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I think it's unfair to compare Facebook actively screwing us to Apple not adopting your proposed metric on their product and passively allowing a very popular app in their app store. Not a huge fan of Apple, but they aren't Facebook.

Apple does not have a tracking pixel on half the popular web. Apple's main source of income is through luxury hardware and subscription services. Facebook sells your information and attention to willing buyers.

I'm not an Apple device user so I could be mistaken, but Apple devices must be collecting all of this information about their users if Facebook is able to access it.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Apple does not have a tracking pixel on half the popular web. Apple's main source of income is through luxury hardware and subscription services. Facebook sells your information and attention to willing buyers.

I'm not an Apple device user so I could be mistaken, but Apple devices must be collecting all of this information about their users if Facebook is able to access it.

They are collecting lots more. I think the argument is that selling said data is not their business model. At least for now.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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I think it's unfair to compare Facebook actively screwing us to Apple not adopting your proposed metric on their product and passively allowing a very popular app in their app store. Not a huge fan of Apple, but they aren't Facebook.

And yet apple make so much noise about privacy, but don't activly block access to personal information.

Like why do they allow access to the health data stored in the phone?

It's almost like they need facebook to be the devil so they can say how good they are.

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