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chatgpt is no cicero
Illa doesn't even mean "she", and I see no other use for it in the translation. But my Latin is very rusty.
Illa means "she". (Thesaurus linguae Latinae 7,1:349)
How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?
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Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, I agree, Spanish is generally more verbose. The weird one is that Latin American Spanish is spoken much slower, but with the same information per syllable (presumably). I always wondered if the information rate would actually be the same for Spanish (LATAM) and Spanish (Spain) - my suspicion is that it's lower in LATAM. Perhaps pauses and connective words could account for the difference though?
There's huge variation in Latin American dialects, there's definitely no universal speed of speech.
Not only that, but a lot of features of various forms of Latin American Spanish also occur in Spain, especially southern Spain which is the "root" of much of it.
Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, I agree, Spanish is generally more verbose. The weird one is that Latin American Spanish is spoken much slower, but with the same information per syllable (presumably). I always wondered if the information rate would actually be the same for Spanish (LATAM) and Spanish (Spain) - my suspicion is that it's lower in LATAM. Perhaps pauses and connective words could account for the difference though?
There's huge variation in Latin American dialects, there's definitely no universal speed of speech.
There's definitely differences between countries and regions, and I don't have data for it, but the stereotype of Latin American Spanish being slower than Spain has by and large been true in my experience.
Do you think on average Latin American Spanish is spoken at the same speed as Spain?
Edit: And regardless of regional variations I am certain that there are Latin American regions which have a generally slower speed of speech than regions in Spain. So the thing that interests me is whether in that case the Spain Spanish has more pauses etc.
Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?
#234How am I the first person here to uselessly link to the Latin Lesson scene from the Life of Brian?
Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?
#235How would you translate this into Latin?
10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"
20 GOTO 10
...
X SCRIBE "SALVE MUNDI"
XX ITE X
or something like that?
Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can do the same thing in English. She said bye often. 5 syllables.
"often" and "too many times" do not have the same meaning at all
Neither do the majority of the translations.
For some reason, it's fine to lose most of the meaning when translating to Portuguese or Latin for simplification - but it's not okay to just simplify in English.
Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?
#237How would you translate this into Latin? 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD" 20 GOTO 10 ... X SCRIBE "SALVE MUNDI" XX ITE X or something like that?
That reminds me of this: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Lingua_abstrusa
Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?
#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is surely multiple alternatives for any given language, similar to Draconis compressing the latin form, in french instead of the literal: 11 - Elle a dit au revoir trop souvent avant You could replace: * "dire au revoir" by "saluer" (which used both for greeting and farewell so you get a bit of data information lost) * "trop souvent" which uses the "trop" adverbe when there is a word for it: "excessivement" Whi…
In the version from Google Translate, " trop souvent " adds a notion of frequency like " too often " would, "avant" is shoehorned as a misplaced compulsory match for " before " when " too many times before " already felt like a ready-made phrase at this point. In yours, " salua " would likely pass as a greeting, while " excessivement " would rather refer to the silly moves she made. Definitely harder to read for me.…
> "Elle a tant de fois dit au revoir"
Nice! And sounds better.
To be nitpicking, I'd propose "Elle a tant dit au revoir avant" (9 also), which retains the original 'before'.
Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're interested in the grammar, I think the distinction you're getting at is pluperfect (plan action that was completed-in-the-past-in-the-past) and perfect (an action that was completed-in-the-past). "She had said goodbye too many times before" means, at some point in the past, it was the case that she had previously said goodbye too many times. I think this is the intended meaning. "She said goodbye too many t…
Somehow the context of the song hasn't been shared on the thread yet: Whispered goodbye as she got on a plane Never to return again ... This love has taken its toll on me She said goodbye too many times before And her heart is breaking in front of me And I have no choice 'cause I won't say goodbye anymore Clearly "before" is needed to rhyme with "anymore". Also it is referencing the times she said "goodbye" before sh…
Thanks for the context, as I'm not familiar with that song.
Isn't the grammatically correct rendering of that line "she _has_ said goodbye too many times before"? (Present Perfect, right?)
Now I'm curious to hear the recording: is there a sibilant, "she's"?
Edit: Several others made the same point below. I'll leave this here, but they were first. /e
Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you translate it back into English, “she had said goodbye too much”, it’s clear that the real question is, “did the author mean something by those choices which the translation obliterated?” Translation is a process which both erases information and introduces new information. Any comparison of languages which tries to evaluate which languages are more compact has to work with some assumptions about what informati…
Digging into "She said goodbye too many times before" versus "She said goodbye too many times", the "before" in the first implies that She is saying goodbye now . I'm not sure if the Latin translation as it is captures that, or if you'd go for something more like "valedīxisse nimium valedīxit", "she said goodbye having said goodbye too much"; I kind of like that because then you're saying goodbye twice in the same li…
> She is saying goodbye now.
Exactly (or at the time). Many submissions here attain shortness by eliding this important precision.