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Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by ivanmontillam »

LeanderK wrote: post #227
RajBhai wrote: post #128

The other day I tried to install Chrome on a new laptop. (Insert joke about what Edge is good for.) However, Edge wasn't letting me actually download the Chrome installer. When I clicked the download button on the Chrome website, instead of any indication of its progress or completion, Edge instead displayed a pop-up that kept reassuring me that Edge was just as good. So it turns out, Edge isn't even good enough to f…

wait a minute...were you able to download chrome in the end? Or was edge straight up refusing to download it?

I got curious and tried it. Yes, the installer is downloaded, but there are a bunch of banners when attempting it.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by pjerem »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #208

> In the European Economic Area (EEA), Windows system components use the default browser to open links. That shows such complete and utter contempt for the wishes of their users. The user has actively selected a browser as the one they want to use by default, but windows only uses it in the EEA because they were forced to. As it will be used by EEA system components, there's presumably no technical/compatibility issu…

> there's presumably no technical/compatibility issues that would stop the rest of the world using it to.

There never were an technical issue in defining the default browser. It's something that worked on any OS since nearly 30 years, including Windows.

It's 100% disrespect.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by tengbretson »

jemmyw wrote: post #94
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple doesn’t disrespect set user preferences in the same way that Microsoft does. This sort of oversimplified drive-by whataboutism isn’t great for conversation.

They respect it on Mac and don't let you have a non WebKit browser on iOS

When I highlight text in `Terminal.app`, right-click, and then click "Search with Google" it opens Safari in spite of my preferences.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by parminya »

throwaway09223 wrote: post #186
adamas wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the behaviour I'm seeing, might be a bug on your phone's end.

It certainly is the behavior you're seeing, in part because Safari is the only web browser on iphones. Firefox on iphone is just webkit. It is not actually Firefox. Chrome on iphone is just webkit. It is not actually Chrome.

Firefox on iPhone is Firefox on iPhone, but it uses WebKit instead of Gecko.

Chrome on iPhone is Chrome on iPhone, but it uses WebKit instead of Blink.

The reason this is important for you to keep in mind is because Firefox is whatever Mozilla says Firefox is, and Chrome is whatever Google says Chrome is. There's no reason to suppose the iPhone version of some product should share any code with the Android version of the same product.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by hombre_fatal »

terinjokes wrote: post #214
ezfe wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: I was looking at something else, Search on Web does in fact always open in Safari. I've filed a bug report for this just now. --- This is not true, and I've got receipts. Just downloaded Firefox and set it as the default browser, then used the Lookup option on the word "Lettuce." First section is dictionary, second section is "Siri Suggested Websites." These entries have Firefox logo and open Firefox when click…

Highlight a word or phrase in Firefox, in the popup there's a "Search" option. It will always search in Safari. Firefox had to add their own "Search in Firefox" option, that appears at the end of the popup (and sometimes not at all).

I can verify this. Setting Firefox to my default browser doesn’t change the behavior of “Search on internet” word lookup on long press: it still opens in Safari.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by pjerem »

usimi wrote: post #142
tomhallett wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When someone texts me an address, the only option is “Open in Maps” which is for Apple Maps, when I’d clearly prefer Google Maps. When I click on an address in FB Messenger, I get the “open in google maps or Apple Maps” prompt, but choosing Google Maps just takes me to the Google Maps App Store page, even though I have the app installed and updated. If there is a solution to this problem (where my attempts failed for…

There’s no solution here and it’s not Apple’s fault either. This is due to the way Facebook Messenger chooses to open Google Maps via URL to the App Store Page instead of checking if Google Maps is installed, then opening with a Google Maps URL scheme registered by the app.

IIRC, on technical side Android have "intents". An app says to the system : "users wants to navigate to a place" and other apps can say "hey, i have a feature to navigate to a place".

Apple don't provide such system and so you are blocked by what the source app wants to open. On Apple apps, it will open other apple apps, and on tier apps, it's up to what they want to open. Of course Apple have zero incentive to change this so I don't see it changing.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by skydhash »

vultour wrote: post #148
janandonly wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're at the point of tricking your operating system into thinking you're in a different country to make it function properly, it may be time to try a new OS. macOS has excellent compatibility with 95% of windows software through Parallels, and also respects your choice of browser. I have Firefox, Chrome, Tor Browser and Brave running next to my current browser of preference, Safari. But switching back and fort…

Except you can't just try the new OS, you also have to spend thousands of dollars on "compatible" hardware.

Thousands? The OS is specifically tied to the hardware. You buy the hardware and the OS is free of charge. They don’t sell separate licenses.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by danuker »

skummetmaelk wrote: post #223
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #208

> In the European Economic Area (EEA), Windows system components use the default browser to open links. That shows such complete and utter contempt for the wishes of their users. The user has actively selected a browser as the one they want to use by default, but windows only uses it in the EEA because they were forced to. As it will be used by EEA system components, there's presumably no technical/compatibility issu…

Let's see what the people always screaming about how the EU only cares about fining American tech companies who do nothing wrong will respond to this.

The manipulators mostly reach for low-effort high-exposure interventions. They wouldn't actually engage in honest debate.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by whatwhaaaaat »

skummetmaelk wrote: post #223
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #208

> In the European Economic Area (EEA), Windows system components use the default browser to open links. That shows such complete and utter contempt for the wishes of their users. The user has actively selected a browser as the one they want to use by default, but windows only uses it in the EEA because they were forced to. As it will be used by EEA system components, there's presumably no technical/compatibility issu…

Let's see what the people always screaming about how the EU only cares about fining American tech companies who do nothing wrong will respond to this.

I think mostly people condemn the eu for its attempt at censorship.

The eu would actually have to have a big tech company consumers actually interface with in order to fine them -besides just hardware.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by xg15 »

pjerem wrote: post #232
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #208

> In the European Economic Area (EEA), Windows system components use the default browser to open links. That shows such complete and utter contempt for the wishes of their users. The user has actively selected a browser as the one they want to use by default, but windows only uses it in the EEA because they were forced to. As it will be used by EEA system components, there's presumably no technical/compatibility issu…

> there's presumably no technical/compatibility issues that would stop the rest of the world using it to. There never were an technical issue in defining the default browser. It's something that worked on any OS since nearly 30 years, including Windows. It's 100% disrespect.

Not to mention that MS already went out of their way and spent considerable technical effort to not have the system apps respect the default browser setting - such as introducing a separate URL scheme for "edge-only" links, then later patching the scheme registry so that no other app could register itself as a handler for that scheme.

It was never a technical issue, on the contrary.

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