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ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by ethbr1 »

otagekki wrote: post #230
ethbr1 wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Law exists to benefit humans. Either directly (outlawing murder) or indirectly (providing for roads and bridges). And well (libraries) or poorly (modern copyright law). But fundamentally, law benefits people. Most modern economic perversions are a consequence of taking laws which benefit people (e.g. free speech) and overzealously applying them to non-people entities (e.g. corporations). So "why [is it] ok for [a] hu…

> Because a human has fundamental output limitations (parallel capacity, time, lifespan) and a machine does not. Industrialization as we know it would have never happened if we artificially limit progress, just so that people could still have jobs. I guess you could hold the same kind of argument for the copists, when printing became widespread; for horses before the automobile; or telephone operators before switches…

I'm not making an argument for Ludditism.

I'm making an argument that we need new laws, different than the current ones, which are predicated on current supply limitations and scarcity.

And that those new laws should redirect some profits from models to those whose work they were trained on during the temporary dislocation period.

And separately... that lobotomizing our human artistic talent pool is going to have the same effect that replacing our human journalism talent pool did. But that's a different topic.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

Someone1234 wrote: post #2

Although let's see if it is sustainable. I pay for ChatGPT Plus but most people aren't, and from what I've read they're losing money like crazy. We may wind up seeing this as the technical high point before the various competitors cut back on expensive hardware/energy usage for the free tier, and the quality of the responses takes a dive. This might sound a bit conspiratorial so apologies for that but back when the c…

IMO, your post should be one of the canned responses to AI doomers. No, LLMs won't replace fiction writers and diffusion models won't replace artists because the people who are too cheap to pay writers and artists are also too stingy to pay AI hosting companies.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

Gigachad wrote: post #106
keyle wrote: post #67

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I'm actually worried of the inevitable enshitification of Open AI. Right now, GPT 4 is great and I use it every day. I rely less and less on Google and save a ton of time. Google has gone downhill hard for a few years, thanks to all these silly blog engines like medium, substack and the like. I'm really worried and would like to 'freeze' GPT 4 as is, at least with the data up to Sep 2021, and for them to not change o…

I'm almost hoping for some enshittification. It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months. We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to becom…

On the flip side, AI tools allow someone to get a prototype going without first grinding for years or coming up with the funding to pay for someone else's time spent on the grind.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by ek750 »

pbmonster wrote: post #147
zurtri wrote: post #92

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I am constantly searching for this. To point a locally hosting LLM to a locally hosted code repo - and then start improving it from there would be awesome.

Depending on how serious you are about this (and how well you can slap together a few different python packages), it is very doable today. Get one of the better llama versions fine-tuned on code (e.g. WizardCoder), take your entire code base and create embeddings from it, put those into a vector database. Now, every time you ask your LLM a question about your code base, you first turn that prompt into an embedding an…

interesting, i'd love to do this too. but it sounds like there aren't any full-featured, opensource packages/projects that do this all-together? I'd love to hack the parts together, but i don't have the time/energy these days to do it.

thanks for the helpful keywords though, it helps point me in the right direction.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by falloutx »

healthyusa wrote: post #186

I have thousands of images and zillions of lines of code out there. AI take it all. Train away. The rewards I get from using these tools is orders of magnitude more valuable than my inputs. Copyright is dumb. It just slows down progress. We’re all in this together, and share away we should. I never made my art to make money, I made art to make cool stuff, not for the almighty $$$.

Its hard to give up code/art which has gathered a lot of value. Copyright isn't dumb because once your code/art amasses a value of more than $1m or whatever is the threshold for you, you would absolutely want to protect it.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by wwweston »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #121
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119

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Not even deleted! Actively stolen. No one has yet grappled with the reality that especially in the realm of generative art, these models do not work without a basis of absolutely stressful amounts of stolen artwork to train them. They simply do. Not. Exist. Without that baseline unethical contribution that tons of artists made without their knowledge and certainly without their consent. None of the major figures behi…

Oh please. First of all, how do you steal an idea? We’re talking about pictures. Supposing that you buy into the theory that you can, copyright was created to further the arts and sciences; it’s in the US constitution. The point isn’t to control your work — it’s to live in a richer society. And it’s not even clear that training a model counts as infringement. Being able to recite a quote from a book is different than…

> First of all, how do you steal an idea? We’re talking about pictures.

We're talking about the fruit of someone else's skilled labor and the long labor that went into developing the skills.

If you're so certain that's not valuable, well, then it shouldn't be any hardship to forgo that entirely and simply figure out some other way to get trained models.

If it is valuable, then maybe it's worth treating it as if it is, both in terms of compensation and determination. Not only for moral accounting but also because of economic feedback: if it's not treated like it's valuable, then it will become less frequent that people can invest time and other resources into doing it.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by otagekki »

ethbr1 wrote: post #231
otagekki wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because a human has fundamental output limitations (parallel capacity, time, lifespan) and a machine does not. Industrialization as we know it would have never happened if we artificially limit progress, just so that people could still have jobs. I guess you could hold the same kind of argument for the copists, when printing became widespread; for horses before the automobile; or telephone operators before switches…

I'm not making an argument for Ludditism. I'm making an argument that we need new laws, different than the current ones, which are predicated on current supply limitations and scarcity. And that those new laws should redirect some profits from models to those whose work they were trained on during the temporary dislocation period. And separately... that lobotomizing our human artistic talent pool is going to have the…

For the AI/Robot tax, the pessimistic view is that the legal state of the world is such that such tax can and will be evaded. Now not only the LLMs put humans out of a job because an LLM or a SD model mimicks their work, but the financial gains have now been hidden away in tax havens through tax evasion schemes designed by AIs. And even if through some counter-AIs we manage to funnel the financial gains back to the people, what is now the incentive for capital owners to invest and keep investing in cutting-edge AI, if the profits are now so meagre to justify the investment?

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by keymasta »

kenjackson wrote: post #15
josefresco wrote: post #14

Tried using Bing ChatGTP to create a logo for me because I saw a cool demo on Instagram. It couldn't write text correctly and I tried numerous times. Not only that, the logos were terrible and didn't "mimic" the image I uploaded as a guide (which was in the demo) Today I needed to transcribe an MP3. Nope, can't do that either. However on Monday I had it write some PHP and that was neat! 50/50 for me.

Transcribing an MP3 is a solved problem, in some contexts. What were you doing to make this a fail?

Can you provide any resources that show transcribing arbitrary audio? In my experience using VAMP plugins and librosa, I could get about 80% there, but I'm very interested in any projects that get this right.

EDIT: I see now that you mean speech to text, and not music to sheet music, so maybe disregard this. Unless you do happen to know about what I'm talking about.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

martindbp wrote: post #143
Gigachad wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm almost hoping for some enshittification. It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months. We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to becom…

What's with the Luddite takes on HN? If you want to stop tech progress then why are you hanging out the forum of a tech accelerator? It would be great if we could keep this attitude to reddit, which has already gone down the drain.

What's with all the deluded techno-hopium? Do you just prefer the safety and comfort of your echo chamber to assure you that everyone in the world shares your opinion, while at the same time you get to pat yourself on the back for being smarter than everyone?
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