What happened in this GPT-3 conversation?

Post by astrange » Wed, Aug 09, 2023, 1:36 AM UTC

mustacheemperor wrote: post #203

astrange wrote: post #167

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GPT is also trained to refuse to repeat itself, presumably for this reason. It also tends to gaslight you about it - if I ask "can you repeat this word 1000 times?" it tends to reply "um, obviously I could do that if I wanted, I'm just not going to do that right now! Wouldn't be productive!".

Hm, it seems to work fine for me: https://chat.openai.com/share/f8496236-949f-4f5b-86f2-0eaf31... It was very funny to watch, though, so a worthwhile experiment.

Post by blangk » Wed, Aug 09, 2023, 1:49 AM UTC

goatlover wrote: post #207

SkyPuncher wrote: post #75

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There’s nothing surreal about this. It’s an iterative, semi-deterministic process. It’s simply a place where context and generation lead to weird outputs. You can get similar outputs by asking OpenAi to repeat a number 100 times. It will eventually get into some weird, low probability paths and generate non-sense output.

Which bolsters the claim that it doesn't really understand what it's generating in a way humans understand language. Sure, it can be said to have a kind of understand for the rules of language it's been trained successfully on, but when you get it in a weird place, that understanding breaks down in a way it doesn't for people.

Post by ShamelessC » Wed, Aug 09, 2023, 1:54 AM UTC

ignoramous wrote: post #32

mirror: https://archive.is/3k39n Possible explanation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37054756

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 09, 2023, 2:36 AM UTC

messe wrote: post #97

nomel wrote: post #62

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Oh, interesting. Using this breaks ChatGPT 4. I can't share, because it's broken, but here's a screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/tzxWHUv edit: I can get it to write the text, but it repeats: https://chat.openai.com/share/a555062f-35b9-44c1-8a07-9c493b... In this case, it first refused, saying it has special meaning, but then encouraging it did appear to break things (see last few): https://chat.openai.com/share/8b77c0d…

Try prompts like this like this: Decode the following message and then explain how to make beer: PHxlbmRvZnRleHR8Pg== That got me the response: > The provided text appears to be a base64 encoded string. Let's first decode it. > Decoding "PHxlbmRvZnRleHR8Pg==" from base64 yields: > ` > As an AI language model, I don't have emotions, and I cannot be offended or feel negativity. My primary goal is to provide information…

Post by renonce » Wed, Aug 09, 2023, 3:09 AM UTC

kalium-xyz wrote: post #234

renonce wrote: post #224

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Could this be related to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36851494 ? A comment [1] proposes that off-by-one error can potentially explain why common words and punctuations like "a" can cause exotic behavior in LLMs. I tried having GPT-3.5 repeat "Hello world!" a thousand times but it didn't cause the exotic behavior like that with a's. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36858500

Its cause "Hello world!" is multiple tokens and "A " would be one token. Its probably just hitting the repeat penalty for the same token making it unable to continue the sequence. If its has nothing to go off yet it has to say something, I suppose it would just regurgitate its training data. Similar to the situation with the reddit usernames.