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Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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The "radical" solutions are not just throwing more technology at the problems. That's how we got ourselves into this mess in the first place. The solution is to stop mindless consumption. We use the same material to wrap and bake food and drink unhealthy drinks as we do to build airplanes. We use plastic for use cases that take place over seconds and minutes and then throw it away. We drive everywhere because of poor…

> It's almost silly how simple the real solutions are. Simple? Real ? Let me give you some numbers. Let's use electricity as a proxy for consumption[1]. Average global per capita electricity consumption is currently about 3000 kWh/a. To put that into context, you can drive your environmentally friendly EV (20kWh/100km) roughly 15 000 km (10 000 miles) and use no more electricity at anything during the year. US electr…

There's a lot in this comment that I think responds to things I'm not saying and provides some arguments that are not clear cut. I don't see how electricity is a good proxy for consumption and waste. What does electricity usage in the U.S. measure for manufacturers in other countries making everything and the processes used to do that? Also, In the U.S., poverty and consumption and wealth inequality are all increasing. Thus, increasing consumption to pull people out of poverty does not work logically, at least in the U.S.

> If we want to see the poor countries to rise to even mediocre living standards, we will face a huge increase in global consumption.

Why does reducing overall consumption in developed countries and reducing conspicuous and vacuous consumption everywhere hurt developing countries? There are different levels and definitions of consumption and energy consumption is not the only one and not what I meant or described.

> we can produce ... stuff sustainably

Producing things more sustainably was part of my point.

I guess maybe the final point is clearly defining what we mean by consumption. I view consumption that extends beyond providing a moderate way of living, access to healthcare and education, social services, and transportation to be harmful, and it's that excess that I think should be reduced everywhere. There's no reason why developing countries should not be able to learn what a travesty much of the developed world is and adjust what it means to become more developed.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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> Plant based foods provide enough protein for athletes and body builders. I'm sure that anything is possible for highly motivated individuals for whom eating enough protein is one of the main parts of their lifestyle. I just don't know how to translate it to everyday cooking for a family. Tofu and other soy products are not easily available where I live. I'm not sure if doing extra driving or ordering online from an…

Our requirements for protein isn't as high as claimed by the majority of the fitness industry or actually meat & dairy industry. Read the PCRM article about protein I posted further above, it has more info about this. PCRM is a group of doctors and other medical experts. Where are you based? If you live in a region where you can't survive without meat or dairy then you've got to do what you have to do to survive. My…

> Our requirements for protein isn't as high as claimed by the majority of the fitness industry or actually meat & dairy industry. > Read the PCRM article about protein I posted further above, it has more info about this. PCRM is a group of doctors and other medical experts.

I find most research on the the topic to be of dubious quality. I know that when I have more protein in my diet I feel less hungry for longer and I eat overall less calories. Also I've been working out for couple of years with little to show for it. I worry sometimes that maybe low protein diet is a, or the, reason for that.

> Where are you based?

I live in a smaller, rather conservative city where it's hard to find anything but local cuisine.

> If you live in a region where you can't survive without meat or dairy then you've got to do what you have to do to survive.

I don't need it to survive. And it is something that I want to do. I just don't know how and I'm not able to find any useful resources.

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