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Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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DVD supports both encrypted and unencrypted video, so Bob is only breaking the law if he's releasing a decryption tool. The entire DeCSS case hinged on video decryption specifically, everything else was already implemented by other parties. Now, if Bob decides to encrypt those DVDs, then you have an interesting legal area where half the law applies and the other half doesn't. DMCA 1201 only applies to things that pro…

> But if you distribute a DVD decryption tool, then you're harming the protection of copyrighted DVDs, so you can't distribute a decryption tool even though some jackass might try to functionally recopyright public domain material with DVD CSS. I don't think you're appreciating how crazy that is. Suppose some implements a DRM system that works like this. They have a server that speaks ordinary HTTPS and has a standar…

DMCA 1201 has a knowledge requirement, so in the first example, someone just viewing the website normally has no knowledge of the DRM and thus isn't circumventing anything. However, if they had known of the proprietary client beforehand and used a regular web browser to circumvent the DRM, then that would violate DMCA 1201's anti-circumvention provisions. However, keep in mind that anti-circumvention is the sane half of the law where all the actual exceptions for fair use and all that live. And also the half of the law that's significantly harder to enforce.

The second half of the law is the anti-trafficking provision. This is a lot stricter because it has no fair use exception. However, the actual requirement for violating this law is that the tool has to either...

- Be only capable of violating the DRM scheme

- Have limited commercial purpose other than violating the DRM scheme

- Be advertised as being capable of violating the DRM scheme

Just selling a pentalobe screwdriver is not enough to trip the anti-trafficking part of DMCA 1201. Either your DRM system has to have special screws that only that particular device uses[0], or you have to specifically sell it as a way to steal music. Pentalobe screwdrivers have all sorts of significant commercial uses other than just breaking this hypothetical DRM scheme.

For the same reason, you misusing Bitlocker does not make Microsoft liable for violating DMCA 1201, because Bitlocker has a very wide commercial purpose outside of circumvention. However, if someone says "hey the key is all zeroes", they are liable for trafficking in circumvention tools. Generally speaking, DRM needs to be narrowly tailored to avoid overlap with commonly-available and thus legal circumvention tools. If you abuse existing functionality to make DRM in a way that is trivially circumvented then you gain very little from anti-circumvention. For the same reason, those little right-click blockers people used to put on their website don't mean that Chrome DevTools is illegal[1].

Your ransomware-by-FairPlay example is actually legally interesting. I could see it going all the way to SCOTUS. If I were a cybercriminal, I would absolutely do this just to see people hold off on releasing unlock tools. That being said, I don't think a judge would actually find a security vendor liable here. There's a very basic principle in law that illegal activity is afforded no protection by the law[2]. So I can't sue a drug dealer because he spiked my heroin with fentanyl, or sue a game developer for using my unauthorized fanart of their characters without permission[3]. The criminals who released the ransomware cannot sue the security vendor, the DRM system vendor would have to be baited into doing so. Furthermore, "decrypting shit that was encrypted without my knowledge or permission" would be a perfectly valid commercial purpose. So as long as the security vendor does not say "this tool decrypts DRM" it's probably fine for them to release this.

[0] For various economic reasons in screw manufacturing, this is highly unlikely to ever exist.

[1] I'm pretty sure just mentioning this is committing one of my three felonies for the day.

[2] This does not mean that criminals have no protection under the law at all, of course. Someone who burgles your house and gets injured can still sue for damages, because it's illegal to set up traps to kill people.

[3] Under US law, if an artistic work is a derivative of another artistic work, the derivative is afforded copyright protection if and only if it is licensed. If it is unlicensed you own nothing.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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They need not be proficient to understand that Swiss German is distinctly different from German. Its reasonably common knowledge. Swiss German is based around Alemannic dialects rendering it often and frequently unintelligible to traditional German speakers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_German

It is a dialect, written form is German. It is like hearing French spoken in sub Saharan Africa, it is hard to grasp but eventually you get it

French and Sicilian are dialects of Latin. Do you think French people can travel to Sicily and start chatting?

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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the red army didn't invade Berlin in your alternate universe? Also USA funded terrorism, mafia, in italy… not something to brag about.

How many military bases does Russia have in Germany and the rest of europe? How much control does Russia have on europe in terms of enforcing laws, extraditing citizens vs the US? Do you really not see the difference? I don't like the fact that the US has this presence or influence in europe, but it is factual. Why you think stating a fact is braging, I'm not sure.

> How many military bases does Russia have in Germany

Not the direction you are aiming, but I find Kaliningrad/Königsberg a fascinating example of soviet imperialism.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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How many military bases does Russia have in Germany and the rest of europe? How much control does Russia have on europe in terms of enforcing laws, extraditing citizens vs the US? Do you really not see the difference? I don't like the fact that the US has this presence or influence in europe, but it is factual. Why you think stating a fact is braging, I'm not sure.

Russia had the same until the collapse of USSR. Which has nothing to do with who had a bigger role in fighting the nazis.

Did I make any argument about who had a bigger role? I just made an argument that because of the US's role, and the fact that right now they have the biggest army, that's what allows them to have this influence in laws in europe. Other people started making comparisons with USSR.

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It doesnt have the latest security updates though

So far the uazo builds have only run up to a couple weeks behind Chromium mainline, unlike Bromite which could fall months behind. I'm not sure if there is a better privacy-oriented browser for Android right now if you want just want a stripped back Chromium. The other privacy-oriented browsers all seem to add a bunch of extra stuff.

Interesting, thank you for the rec.

I need to actually try Fennec one of these days instead letting it sit on my phone.

I still don't exactly trust these builds since they are small fries and I imagine not a ton of people are combing the code to make sure data isnt getting logged somewhere. They are great for browsing the internet, but I typically don't put passwords in them.

I use DDG for that.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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> Search for far-right content if search engine is US-based (suggestions please) I use a similar litmus test. I search for the website for the Proud Boys. Google doesn't just censor it. They place obviously hand-curated results critical of the movement on the first page. Bing is the same. DuckDuckGo also fails the test. Kagi and Yandex both pass this test. Google fails almost every one of these tests.

Just because Yandex passes the test, doesn't mean the can be relied upon. Remember, because they are Russian, it is in their interest to show you content that US corporations censor, but they may be censoring the content that Russia wants to be censored or manipulate it for the benefit of Russian propaganda. What I am trying to say is that it is probably better to get information from many sources as every can be bia…

> What I am trying to say is that it is probably better to get information from many sources as every can be biased one way or another.

I guess it's back to dogpile for me...

(if they still did the multiple search engine thing)

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Wasted x years not being in prison?

He basically imprisoned himself for all of those years. And what's worse - those years won't be subtracted from whatever sentence he's going to get. I don't understand what his long-term plan was.

If I had to choose between being stuck in an embassy and being in a US prison, I wouldn't think about it twice.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Biggest army in the world, also the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2. This is something europeans forget when complaining about "outsized" US influence but then also don't invest in defense and keep being safe just by the grace of the US. This comes with a price. PS: I'm from europe

Technically Russia has bled a lot more to defeat Germany than the US but I guess you guys see History thru Call of Duty bullshit propaganda

Technically only because Russia treats it's troops like disposable cannon fodder and early in the war was sending 2 soldiers for every rifle with the instructions for the second guy to pick up the rifle when the first guy dies.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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post #142

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Biggest army in the world, also the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2. This is something europeans forget when complaining about "outsized" US influence but then also don't invest in defense and keep being safe just by the grace of the US. This comes with a price. PS: I'm from europe

> the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2 That thought is the result of decades of successful US propaganda. The people who actually lived through WW2 in Europe thought different. This poll [1] asked: "In your opinion, which nation contributed the most to Hitler's defeat?" [1] https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sondage...

How many people were asked in each poll and were they all French? Genuinely curious.

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> geofences Geofences are a great way to start copyright reform. Bobby from Zambezia downloaded your new X-heroes movie, and you're complaining about piracy losses? How can you claim losses, if you're geofencing your content and don't want Bobby's money?!

I think having exclusive distribution rights within geographies is one such usecase for geofencing. This is why Netflix et al may have content available in some zones but not others.

There are all kinds of different legal rights owing to differences in copyright law, contract law, court cases, the medium in question, etc. such that even if one rights holder gave out worldwide distribution rights, inevitably some local difference will require geofencing.

Example: a famous {musician, artist, author, etc.} dies. His heirs dispute who owns the rights to his work.

Courts in Country A give Heir A exclusive rights, but Country B gives Heir B those same rights. Other countries give both of them part ownership.

Worse, a backup drummer / ghostwriter / etc. gets some rights by law in Country C due to a quirk in their local laws.

Now a hypothetical Netflix has to negotiate with different parties in different countries.

This is a mess all on its own.

Add on decades of trading around rights on a per-country basis (or even per time period, per medium, etc.) as part of deals, and it's intractable.

At one point I worked on software to record this kind of thing. It certainly was eye opening, to say the least. Needing to capture legal disputes was an important feature...

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