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Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by dijit »

amelius wrote: post #64
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #28

Meanwhile, I can see this very Mastadon post with no login just fine. And the interface is not trying to assault me. It loads quick. ...Seems like a better product than Twitter for a public feed.

I'm sure the loads are not comparable.

Honestly.

what the fuck is this response?

I hear always that centralising everything is great because efficiencies of scale: but then we have something that works as good or better and the response is; “ah yeah, but the load is so high!”

Why do I care? I don't honestly give a shit about how much load you have, you could be factoring Pi on every page load; it means -nothing- to me. I kindly invite you to give more of a shit about user experience.

This also goes for when “complicated” systems fail, maybe making them so complicated and centralised is not the way.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by qwerasdf5 »

simonw wrote: post #222
lr4444lr wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno. We are several months out after the major layoffs. Maybe some very recent bad decisions were made internally that pared back too far, but I think Musk has long since been proven correct that the core platform could function on a fraction of the workforce it had at the time of takeover.

Complex systems like Twitter don't break overnight when you lay off the talented engineers. They deteriorate piece-by-piece, potentially over the course of many months, until the compounding effects of these problems and the growing technical debt overwhelms the team that they have left.

Which pieces have deteriorated?

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by meepmorp »

pronik wrote: post #80
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #28

Meanwhile, I can see this very Mastadon post with no login just fine. And the interface is not trying to assault me. It loads quick. ...Seems like a better product than Twitter for a public feed.

Early days of Twitter were just like that. Mastodon hasn't had the time to go to shit yet.

What? Remember the fail whale?

Twitter shit the bed all the time in the early days.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by terminatornet »

lamontcg wrote: post #143

I think we're about at the point where the people who predicted chaos at twitter after Elon basically fired most of the experienced engineers have been proven correct. The duct tape is all coming apart at the seams now. It isn't quite as decisive as a submarine imploding, and ceasing to exist, but it has turned into a brightly burning tirefire.

right? it's a shame hacker news doesn't let you reply to old comments, there's a few threads I'd like to follow up on from people who refused to believe Elon was destroying twitter

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by jtode »

qwerasdf5 wrote: post #234
simonw wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complex systems like Twitter don't break overnight when you lay off the talented engineers. They deteriorate piece-by-piece, potentially over the course of many months, until the compounding effects of these problems and the growing technical debt overwhelms the team that they have left.

Which pieces have deteriorated?

Those who could know are working at other places now.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by ohgodplsno »

echelon wrote: post #163
hinkley wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When someone says, "certain topics will get you banned" that doesn't make me judge the platform, that makes me judge the person. People are going to assume it's something you don't want to name, if you won't name it.

I'm LGBT and my spouse is trans. I don't believe you should silence anti-trans rhetoric. I believe you should engage it. The ability for /r/conservative to ban my counter arguments is just as harmful as Mastodon shutting down the anti-trans positions. Conversation is what moves us forward and is how we find commonality. I grew up religious and conservative. I changed a lot of my viewpoints through friendly conversati…

They're not looking to debate you or find common ground with you. They're looking to eradicate you, or at the very least send you back to the closet.

Re: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

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Post by epistasis »

rvba wrote: post #226
epistasis wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While there may be huge sections of Twitter content that are like what you describe, I haven't encountered that. Instead I see tons of hyper-focused discussion from very specialized scientists that I wouldn't see otherwise. I see lots of discussion if obscure housing policy, that I wouldn't see otherwise. Now, this has been severely degraded by the changes that Musk has made. The spam in direct messages is off the ch…

As someone who doesnt use twitter, I dont understand how can you have any sort of a real discussion with a 140 character limit. The best discussion platform is IMHO the older version of reddit / i.reddit with the nested comments + possibility to be indexed by google + possibility to reply to old posts. The super-nesting comments feature is great.

It's a 280 character per message limit, with replies.

This is actually hugely beneficial to discussion as it makes people focus on the most salient point first, and further points go below, and each are easy to address individually.

Longer form material goes to outside links, sometimes, but Twitter threads are also great for long form content. At least for executive summaries that link out to the detailed bits for each primary point. Once the UI for Twitter prioritized threading, it became quite easy to express extremely long chains of evidence.

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