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Re: Google has a secret browser hidden inside the settings

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I suspect my kid found a way to use Spotify to browse the web, because he seems to use it all day and when I ask him what he listens to he just says "stuff".

On the other hand, what kid wants to talk to their parents about what music they listen to?

What kid _doesn't_ want to talk to their parents about the stuff they're interested in? My kids have introduced me to some really interesting music, and vice verse.

Re: Google has a secret browser hidden inside the settings

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Oh, I am absolutely sure of that. I didn't mean my silly recollections there to be a way to handwave the concerns of people with parental controls nowadays. Those are important. I just miss those simpler times. The most risque thing we got our hands on back then were low resolution porn clips. Perhaps some odd hentai AVI with mangled translation. People used to be up in arms about something silly as Carmageddon being…

For 90's kids it was video games that were gonna rot your brain and make you a bad person. That turned out to be false. For 00's kids the new boogeyman is "social media". Likely will turn out false too. Just sounds like a cop-out way to blame anything other than poor parenting.

There is definitely poor parenting at play here, and there are also way more, easier access, brain rotters today. 100 years ago, parents weren't giving their babies electronic pacifiers (tablets with YouTube playing).

Re: Google has a secret browser hidden inside the settings

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Sure but they might've not discovered it just read it off internet or from other kids.

Both of which are forms of discovery

Sure but that's like discovering how to make pizza vs discovering how to put a frozen pizza into a microwave.

You'd be generally more proud from the first one

Re: Google has a secret browser hidden inside the settings

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> Google's increasingly cavalier attitude towards security is concerning: > [3 bullet points unrelated to security] Security is a field related to protecting device-users from malicious actors. Your 3 examples all fall broadly under parental-controls, which are about controlling & monitoring a user's use & access of their device - a scenario within whichc the user is the adversary, not external actors. That may be an…

> Security is a field related to protecting device-users from malicious actors. You know - sometimes, just sometimes - it is also to do with protecting organisations from careless or malicious users. The three points are related to security, even it couched in terms of parents/children

If you (in this case parent) block something (in this case browsing porn sites) on some software (in this case Android device), it most definitely _is_ a security issue if the user (in this case a child) can bypass the restriction you imposed. I don't understand what's not clear there? If your phone is locked with a pin and you pass it to your friend (Stifler) because his mom just called you, he should not in any circumstance, be able to unlock your phone without knowing the pin code. That's the first issue. The second security issue is the possibility of any website calling private internal Android functions for (potentially) setting encryption keys of your device (!!!) You don't consider this a security issue?

Re: Google has a secret browser hidden inside the settings

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This is exactly how I used to bypass the parental control application on windows when I was young. I only had 1 hour of computer time, after which the tool would close all applications on my PC except Microsoft Office Apps (for productivity). After a bit of clicking around, I somehow managed to open a browser in Outlook and play flash games on Miniclip.

Reminds me of how we worked around how the macs were locked down in high school. You could only launch certain applications and you couldn't open System Preferences but in Safari you could edit the default web browser. We would change the default web browser to Terminal (You could open Terminal but it was limited in what it could do, like it would fail at opening other apps) and then open Word, make a link, and click on it. The Terminal instance that opened had more privileges than opening it by default and using this instance you could run `open /path/to/your/app`, for example a game on a disk you inserted.

I remember our study hall teacher coming over at one point and asking if we were allowed to play the game (Starcraft) and the answer we gave (still can't believe it worked) was "Well these computers are pretty locked down as you know so if we are able to play this game it must mean the school is ok with it", which he accepted.

Re: Google has a secret browser hidden inside the settings

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Sure. And if there are consequences, face them.

Generally kids are not able to comprehend or foresee all of the consequences of their actions which is why parents and their communities set rules/restrictions for kids.

Oh, so you've been a teenager before, too? :)

(I recently saw a fantastic episode of "The Mind, Explained" on Netflix that describes this phenomenon well, along with why it happens: https://www.netflix.com/watch/81273770)

Re: Google has a secret browser hidden inside the settings

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> If you don't want your kids to connect to things then don't let your kids have devices that connect to things. This is not an option as school, at least in my region, requires devices directly since 4th grade and indirectly even earlier for homework. Devices move between networks so having controls directly on the device is helpful. Your argument seems like arguing that there should be no local access permissions o…

> Your argument seems like arguing that there should be no local access permissions on files and just let the network handle everything. Quite the contrary. Your local files are given to you by your local device. It's up to your local device to ensure that those files are properly access controlled. But things on your network are given to you by your network. It should be up to your network to ensure that those thing…

> If school requires things then school should provide things.

A lot of things should happen in life. That doesn't make it so.

Re: Google has a secret browser hidden inside the settings

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Generally kids are not able to comprehend or foresee all of the consequences of their actions which is why parents and their communities set rules/restrictions for kids.

I'm curious as to the reasoning behind why someone apparently disagrees with that.

Likely a teenager ;)

Re: Google has a secret browser hidden inside the settings

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Sure. And if there are consequences, face them.

Generally kids are not able to comprehend or foresee all of the consequences of their actions which is why parents and their communities set rules/restrictions for kids.

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Re: Google has a secret browser hidden inside the settings

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Both of which are forms of discovery

Sure but that's like discovering how to make pizza vs discovering how to put a frozen pizza into a microwave. You'd be generally more proud from the first one

Depends on how much you cook and how good you are at it, right?

When I was a kid, I was damn proud of "discovering" Sub7 and using it to fuck with all of my friends, teaching them to do the same. Years later, I would "discover" how to read assembly by reading a book on it and then "discover" pirated copies of various disassemblers online and use them to reverse engineer games, write keygens, etc. Years later, I would write my first 0day exploit and then eventually make a whole career out of that.

But I was just as proud of discovering and using Sub7 to mess around as a kid as I was popping my first shell. I just knew more at each stage; the act of 'discovery' felt little different, though.

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