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Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 5:18 AM UTC

tootie wrote: post #61

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #52

What kind of reaction people expect from this hackernews post? Anything that goes against the dogma will get shut down? What's the veracity of this article to begin with? In the age of digital transformation, what are the chances we are reading fake news from the Ukrainian front? They attack each other? well, if they killed some russians and stole their missiles, it's easy to create confusion on the adversary camp, c…

Multiple reports in multiple major outlets are reporting that he is accusing Russia of attacking his troops. I think the coup part is speculative but the accusation is a heavy one and implies that he feels at war with Moscow already. Edit: Quick followup, NY Time has it top of the fold. Russia is accusing Wagner of fomenting a coup and the Kremlin is deploying armor to the streets of Moscow. This isn't definitely hap…

After reading the news today, looks like I was right to be cautious, suspicious and to not jump to the conclusion too hastily; don't you think? ;)

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by rq1 » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 10:18 PM UTC

LeonB wrote: post #170

rq1 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the general sent to butcher a region and then was executed for doing what he was actually asked for. His fate was obvious from he beginning but he went there with such impediment that's quite strange he's stil' breathing.

Ok I understand and I think I agree. My question is how this relates to the words “The Prince” ? Is that a reference to Machiavelli? Or Prince Myshkin from Dostoyevsky or some other Prince? A novel, a poem… I just want to know what in particular the words “the prince” refer to here?

In Machiavelli's The Prince, he gives an advice on how to extinguish a rebellion in a province while making a point and example for the other provinces.

He advices the Prince to secretly send a general there and execute everyone in some cities without exception.

Then he advices him to execute the general for being "rogue", overly zealous, and punish him for what he did.

The Prince is strong, so there can't be a rebellion. The prince is just too, he can't allow bloodbaths against his beloved subjects... etc.

I don't know for sure what the heck they're doing there, but this man doesn't seem to be aware of being a pawn.

They can say later that it was a deception whatsoever but he's still a pawn.

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 10:49 PM UTC

chongli wrote: post #51

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #14

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Is this a serious attempt at a military coup? Wagner's command is competent. The recent border incursions show Russia is lightly fortified, possibly Moscow, too. The wild card would appear to be the FSB. Do they tend ultranationalist? Or will they be loyal to Shoigu?

I really don’t know much about the FSB. How many forces do they have? How much equipment? We have seen that they’re capable of carrying out extraterritorial assassinations and have kept Putin in power for decades by infiltrating and breaking up and political opposition. This is a different story: a full-scale military coup by a private army. But it remains to be seen whether or not Prigozhin would try to topple Putin…

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