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Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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Post by smoldesu »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #230
smoldesu wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, we're talking about a factory that beats its workers[0], faces them down in riots[1], hasn't paid wages on multiple occasions[2], negotiates against mass-worker suicide pacts[3], forces employees into overtime to fatal extremes[4] and blackmails the families of their workers[5]. Maybe, just maybe , giving authoritarian autonomy to a factory complex full of human workers is not a good idea. [0] https://web.arch…

Cool I didn't say anything about whether they are good or should have autonomy, I said the suicide rate wasn't high.

Ok. I'll defer your attention to the mass suicide threat and move on then.

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Post by DiabloD3 »

lhl wrote: post #184
DiabloD3 wrote: post #36

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> I'd say ~2 hours at full brightness Most laptops with high brightness monitors would leave you with about 2-3 hours of battery life... many laptops can hit 300-400 nits, some even more. sRGB and BT709 declare the brightness of SDR white as 100 nits, and 100-120 is considered acceptable. The rest of what you say sounds like your Ubuntu is misconfigured, which is common with Ubuntu installs. The fix is usually either…

I think you're way overestimating the power usage of modern displays. The Framework display (BOE095F) backlight based on my personal testing uses ~2.1W at 100% (440 nits) (this is as expected, you can look at datasheets on similar displays like https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/1294460/BOE/NT156FHM-N41/... and the the Pbl on the specsheet). The old Framework 13s have a 55Wh battery, so 2-3h would require 18.3-27.5W…

Huh.

I didn't realize displays had gotten this efficient. I remember when LED backlights were more efficient, but not efficient (huge leap over CCFL, obviously).

So yeah, sounds like the parent comment's Ubuntu is just grossly misconfigured, either out of the box, or merely a few things relevant to Intel Cove-era have to be manually flipped on/off.

I'd love to see if he can repeat it with any other distro, such as with SuSE, or Debian + task-laptop and KDE.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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Post by Dylan16807 »

smoldesu wrote: post #231
Dylan16807 wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool I didn't say anything about whether they are good or should have autonomy, I said the suicide rate wasn't high.

Ok. I'll defer your attention to the mass suicide threat and move on then.

Even if you go to the hypothetical extreme of pretending every single one those people committed suicide, it still doesn't give them a high suicide rate overall...

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Post by redroyal »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #193
redroyal wrote: post #135

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I’m not a fan. Thinkpads have had magnesium enclosures since 2000. I don’t like the framework design or philosophy. You’d have to be insane to buy an Intel laptop for the same money as an ARM Macbook. This reusable thing doesn’t make a bit of sense to me either. Do you really want to be using a 10 year old chassis with new parts? What’s the point of trying to save the environment when the other 8 billion could care l…

>What’s the point of trying to save the environment when the other 8 billion could care less? Because these other 8 billion think just like you. More and more people don't think like that anymore, and they miss you. To get out of that gridlock, don't wait (because you aren't stuck in traffic: you're traffic).

Come on they’re dumping metric tons of industrial waste into the oceans every day but here we are sorting cans from cardboard. It’s just virtue signaling. It’s totally meaningless.

That it’s now law is just a mind game. They get you to habitually say yes to a series of nonsense tasks and arbitrary rules so later you don’t question when they march your children off to a pointless war

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Post by PDTao5Q2TMaTp7U »

rcoveson wrote: post #82
PDTao5Q2TMaTp7U wrote: post #73

I like the self repair options, but the attachments are just dongles in another form factor

Notable, a form factor that does not dangle. Are PCIe cards just dongles in another form factor? Is it a question of how much of the peripheral's surface area is visible from the outside? Or is it the difficulty of insertion/removal that separates expansion cards from dongles? For me it's the dangling that makes the dongle a dongle.

That's a disingenuous comparison. PCIe is not USB-C. You are comparing apples to oranges.

The Framework laptop expansion cards are all USB-C dongles in a different form factor. It's purely an esthetic choice. You don't like the dangle. Thats a valid opinion. I have a USB-C hub that handles all the connections I need in a dongle-dangle.

The only real objective benefit of it, IMO, (and this is HUGE) is the repairability. I am a huge fan of that, and hope that other makes would step up (or be forced to step up) and make the same kind of changes.

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Post by newsclues »

denvrede wrote: post #187
newsclues wrote: post #9

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Linux battery life is what sells so many MacBooks to developers.

And that's what I don't get. Especially with the developers I know, you're mostly having a desktop setup with a power supply. Or is the stereotype of most of the developers sitting in a Starbucks all day, every day, true?

Linux Desktop at desk, but MacBook for travel, couch, bathroom, backyard, in the car, on the train or plane.

Lots of places other than Starbucks I want a good battery life portable computer.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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Post by rcoveson »

PDTao5Q2TMaTp7U wrote: post #235
rcoveson wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notable, a form factor that does not dangle. Are PCIe cards just dongles in another form factor? Is it a question of how much of the peripheral's surface area is visible from the outside? Or is it the difficulty of insertion/removal that separates expansion cards from dongles? For me it's the dangling that makes the dongle a dongle.

That's a disingenuous comparison. PCIe is not USB-C. You are comparing apples to oranges. The Framework laptop expansion cards are all USB-C dongles in a different form factor. It's purely an esthetic choice. You don't like the dangle. Thats a valid opinion. I have a USB-C hub that handles all the connections I need in a dongle-dangle. The only real objective benefit of it, IMO, (and this is HUGE) is the repairabilit…

An expansion card that is flush with the rest of the laptop frame compared to a dongle that dangles from the side is absolutely not just an aesthetic difference. Expansion cards don't need to be disconnected and reconnected whenever you move the laptop. Dongles do. You can't put a laptop with four dongles hanging off of it into a bag.

The distinction between USB-C and PCIe, on the other hand, is meaningless for most peripherals.

An imaginary handheld AM radio is more similar to a handheld FM radio than the handheld FM radio is to a desktop FM radio, from the user's perspective. You could say that "comparing AM to FM is apples to oranges", but the user wouldn't care as much as they care about how they actually interact with the thing.

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Post by gobip »

LoganDark wrote: post #220
gobip wrote: post #190

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Hopefully soon, linux will be running just fine on the Apple Silicon.

Hasn't it been running just fine for years already? Linus Torvalds uses Asahi. Sounds fine enough for me.

No webcam, mic or internal speakers as far as I know?
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