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Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Really don’t like the idea that we will act as interfaces for the AI, I honestly believe it will only many the majority of people lazier and dumber. I’m also incredibly shocked that no one is talking about AI as a friend/companion, that has to not be good for you in the long run. Humans need real human connection, AI is too artificial for that (duh). Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead…

> Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead of healthy home cooked meals growing up A person who is starving will do better with fast food than with no food at all. It's far from ideal, but for some people this will make their lives marginally more tolerable.

Just eat more raw food. That will save time and money.

Screw all the haters. No, we don't have to heat treat every single food. No, the food doesn't have to look like an artwork.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Really don’t like the idea that we will act as interfaces for the AI, I honestly believe it will only many the majority of people lazier and dumber. I’m also incredibly shocked that no one is talking about AI as a friend/companion, that has to not be good for you in the long run. Humans need real human connection, AI is too artificial for that (duh). Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead…

I’m working on a startup that’s training LLMs to be authentic so they can simulate human affection and it’s actually working really well! The key is humanity’s ability to pattern match: we’re actually pretty terrible at it. Our brains are so keen on finding patterns that they often spot them where none exist. Remember the face on Mars? It was just a pile of rocks. The same principle applies here. As long as the AI so…

This is the issue with AI: it is corporatized, and it is weaponized for capitalism.

We already are at the boundary of insidious total immersion advertising for psychological manipulation from the last five decades of mass media since the mass adoption of television.

But AI is simply another level, and it isn't going to be "early google don't be evil". That was the outgrowth of the early internet. From protocols that were build to be sensible, not commercial weaponized protocols.

AI, human-computer-neural interfaces, and other types of emerging deep-intellectual-penetration products are all FULLY WEAPONIZED for commercial exploitation, security dangers, propagandization, and zero consumer privacy. They are all being developed in the age of the smartphone with it's assumed "you have no privacy, we listen to everything, track everything, and that's our right".

It's already appalling from the smartphone front, but AI + VR + neural interfaces are just another level of philosophical quandry, where an individual's senses, the link to "reality", is controlled by corporations. Your only link to reality is the vague societal and governmental control mechanism known as "money".

The internet protocols (the core ones) were built for mass adoption by the world with a vision for information exchange. They were truly open. They weren't undermined by trojan horses, or an incumbent with a massive head start that is dictating the protocol to match their existing products.

AI+VR is the same new leap information transmission, but it is NOT founded on good protocol design. By protocols I mean "the basic rules". There are no rules, there is no morality, and there is no regulation. Just profit motives.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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post #17

Really don’t like the idea that we will act as interfaces for the AI, I honestly believe it will only many the majority of people lazier and dumber. I’m also incredibly shocked that no one is talking about AI as a friend/companion, that has to not be good for you in the long run. Humans need real human connection, AI is too artificial for that (duh). Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead…

I’m working on a startup that’s training LLMs to be authentic so they can simulate human affection and it’s actually working really well! The key is humanity’s ability to pattern match: we’re actually pretty terrible at it. Our brains are so keen on finding patterns that they often spot them where none exist. Remember the face on Mars? It was just a pile of rocks. The same principle applies here. As long as the AI so…

Yeah who needs to learn how to work with others with differing opinions when you've got the always available yes-man to tell you that you are right?

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Bold of them to assume the truth is currently regarded as sacred.

You can go on the front page of r/all any time of day and find news stories that are completely fabricated or graphs using made up data. I don't think AI could realistically make it any worse

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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I’m working on a startup that’s training LLMs to be authentic so they can simulate human affection and it’s actually working really well! The key is humanity’s ability to pattern match: we’re actually pretty terrible at it. Our brains are so keen on finding patterns that they often spot them where none exist. Remember the face on Mars? It was just a pile of rocks. The same principle applies here. As long as the AI so…

Whew it's satire. Whew. I've literally seen posts on the internet that read like this sans the satire.

The saying "this but unironically" exist for a reason. Just because you think something is bad, you can't just justify its badness just by mentioning or repeating it.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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I’m working on a startup that’s training LLMs to be authentic so they can simulate human affection and it’s actually working really well! The key is humanity’s ability to pattern match: we’re actually pretty terrible at it. Our brains are so keen on finding patterns that they often spot them where none exist. Remember the face on Mars? It was just a pile of rocks. The same principle applies here. As long as the AI so…

- Robo, tell me you love me. - I want to comply but you must first watch an ad or two. - Urg not ads again, Robo, I am so sick and tired of the ads. - Now now civilitty! You know the deal. -- later in the day -- - civilitty, lets play a game! - Oh, what game? - lets tell each other our deepest darkest secrets. It'll be fun!! - oh, ok! who should go first, Robo? - you go! it will help us build trust. - oh, ok! - well,…

This is true, but ads are very explicit. At least they are in the confines of a known societal protocol.

AI instead can be far more subliminal.

- Robo, tell me you love me

- I love you like the refreshing effervesence of a freshly opened Coke

And really, that's still pretty stark. AI bots like this with advanced handling of language married to psychological techniques can foster dependence. I mean, look at what simple dopamine reward ratios research did with things like slot machines. Slot machines are stupid! And we all know the trope of the casino slot machine zombies.

What we've seen with every communication medium so far is that the spam sociopaths win. Phone calls, email, and texting. Phishing. Now AI-generated fake people calls.

Very soon, you will not be able to trust communication that is not directly in-person. At all. Communications over wire are going to be much more dangerous.

IMO that means brick-and-mortar will get more important for financial transactions and that kind of thing.

AI is that on mega-steroids. Honestly, I'm debating the end of practical free will with corporatized AI.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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I’m working on a startup that’s training LLMs to be authentic so they can simulate human affection and it’s actually working really well! The key is humanity’s ability to pattern match: we’re actually pretty terrible at it. Our brains are so keen on finding patterns that they often spot them where none exist. Remember the face on Mars? It was just a pile of rocks. The same principle applies here. As long as the AI so…

You wrote: "I’m working on a startup that’s training LLMs to be authentic so they can simulate human affection and it’s actually working really well!" I got news for you buddy: I and a hell of a lot of people know the difference between eating the menu (AI) and the meal (loved ones and dear friends). My lady is from south America, multi lingual, and has a better degree from a better school than I. Seriously, how are…

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Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Eye witness testimony, public key encryption, reputation matters. No more anonymous viral "information".

Here's an elaboration of what I mean. Writers should adopt two habits: (1) Sign your statements. If you say something, sign it, so that others know you said it. Cryptography is good at this. (2) Hash your citations. If you cite something, include a hash of it. This way, if the thing you cited is altered, readers can tell that that's not what you were citing. Note that this idea can be applied to audio and video, not…

Yep, that's only some of the methods which can be employed to ensure authenticity and integrity of information. A lot more are possible.

The parent comment, mentions that an encyclopedia page can be modified by a bot. That holds true for wikipedia, but we can create encyclopedias strictly edited only by humans.

Just have a prominent individual issue a top ecdsa identity, with correspondence to the real person's name info known only to him. He publishes that ecdsa identity somewhere, let's say on a blockchain to be always available and secure from deletion. Let's say this prominent individual is the Ronaldo football player. He publishes 1000 ecdsa identities to a public digital highway somewhere, all of the real names connection known only to him. That set of 1000 identities is called Ronaldo's social graph.

From then on, each child identity derived from the top identity, when they edit a wikipedia page, they are pseudonymous if they like. No need to reveal their name, only Ronaldo knows that, but we know they are human, because Ronaldo has met everyone in person in order to issue the top identity. But pseudonymous is only as far as they can go, because someone will always know their real name. A.I. actually spells the end of anonymity on the internet.

One more property of an organization structure like that, is that as soon as a person loses his wikipedia account for some reason, he can always get it back, because he can create a new ecdsa child identity, and prove that his older account and his new, match exactly the same top identity. So he can always invalidate older accounts and use the same data, karma etc, with new accounts.

The only downside of that organization structure, is that top identities which belong to the public social graph, have to be absolutely secure. As soon as a person loses his top identity, Ronaldo has to issue a new one, but the encyclopedia cannot invalidate accounts not matching the top identity in an automated way, if the real name is not published. That means a human on the other side has to be involved and boureocracy ensues.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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I've seen people on /r/singularity argue how LLMs are a better friend than actual friends or therapists because they are always available, non-judgemental and "listen better". EDIT: Here, for example: https://i.redd.it/7qxb1ohvhada1.png

I believe that humans need to balance things out. Getting zero confrontation from interaction will be boring in the long term, or will make you fall into your flaws deeper and faster. This is usually the issue of authoritarian surrounded by yes men. On the other side, having too much confrontation will destroy your confidence, kill your motivation, blur your plan / vision with uncertainty, etc. It's more likely that…

Is there any reason an LLM could not be programmed to disagree? Perhaps the level of disagreeableness would be a tunable parameter and could be cranked up when in the mood for a fight or down when one one just wants to converse. Some randomness could keep it from getting too predictable.

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Bold of them to assume the truth is currently regarded as sacred. You can go on the front page of r/all any time of day and find news stories that are completely fabricated or graphs using made up data. I don't think AI could realistically make it any worse

AI may not make the content much worse, but the engagement artificial. AI bots to astroturf comment sections and twitter to manufacture consent and sentiment to whoever pays for it. I mean we already have that now, but it will be much harder to detect.
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