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Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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Re: Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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Good for her. Yelp's business model seems to work best if they can pick winners, which is unfortunate. If I search for "dinner" on Yelp for "current location" and look at the map, it leaves out an astonishing number of places that I can see within a mile if I drive down the street. And if your business model is centered around hiding all but the winners - who might pay for placement + reviews both - then you have to…

Google Maps is terrible for hiding results. I'll use the filter to show restaurants with a 4.5+ star rating, and it hides dozens of places 4.5+ stars while instead showing results 4.0 - 4.4 stars and even some that have no reviews at all. I find the arrogance insulting. You want to see 4.5+ star Japanese food restaurants? Well, I don't think that's best for you, and I'm going to replace some of those results with 4.1…

Weird thing is I began comparing things like Uber Eats reviews and Google Maps reviews for local Asian restaurants, and I see things in Google Maps are reviewed substantially lower.

For example some of my favorite Asian restaurants in the city are rated 3.5ish while Uber Eats is rated like 4.7. It leads me to believe a lot of people are rating Google Maps restaurants also based on service. One in particular

https://www.ubereats.com/ca/store/china-lan-lanzhou-beef-noo... (4.7)

https://goo.gl/maps/GnLmwJNRjBHP9UnN8 (3.9)

This place is awesome, and personally have experienced bad service but don't really care, so I do understand the Google Maps rating, but do find the whole rating system not helpful for me as I'm interested in good food and willing to accept bad service.

Re: Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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Good for her. Yelp's business model seems to work best if they can pick winners, which is unfortunate. If I search for "dinner" on Yelp for "current location" and look at the map, it leaves out an astonishing number of places that I can see within a mile if I drive down the street. And if your business model is centered around hiding all but the winners - who might pay for placement + reviews both - then you have to…

It gets worse. People have been 'following' the ratings when they rate foods. A popular local restaurant came under new management and their food is now atrocious. We actually threw their food in the garbage after getting takeout there a month ago. Meanwhile, tourists are still leaving thousands of rave reviews on their google maps page. Noticeably, you will see one or two bad reviews every 50 reviews or so, where a…

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Re: Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google maps is also terrible at showing _only_ relevant info. I searched for “coffee” in a small area earlier today (small because I wanted to walk); it zoomed out to a much larger area and showed me coffee shops along with taquerias, oil change shops, banks, etc. both in the results pane and scattered all over the map. It was such a mess as to be unusable.

Thank you, this is a huge problem with maps search results. It's showing too many results and the ranking is rubbish. Searching for coffee shows tons of low quality results including ones for Target and McDonald's.

I mean, McDonald's does have coffee. I wouldn't say that is incorrect.

Re: Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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Seeing the 'Moving company from Florida' triggered me. I was scammed by a moving company from Florida in 2020, and I did a deep dive to look into them and I found huge networks of moving companies, scammers, & reviewers, all in cahoots. I actually managed to get one company's fake reviews removed from google maps, bringing them from a 4.8+ to a 1.x overnight. Within a few months they were back to > 4, but the owners…

Yeah, I feel like Yelp et al chiefly facilitate fraud at this point.

Re: Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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Good for her. Yelp's business model seems to work best if they can pick winners, which is unfortunate. If I search for "dinner" on Yelp for "current location" and look at the map, it leaves out an astonishing number of places that I can see within a mile if I drive down the street. And if your business model is centered around hiding all but the winners - who might pay for placement + reviews both - then you have to…

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Re: Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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I hate to be dismissive, but this is kind of a "Water Is Wet" article. Does anyone really think online reviews are anything but totally gamed, bought, and paid for? It's kind of a Universal Law Of Spam: Any place on the Internet where users can add content and where content might be profitable to someone, will eventually end up full of spam and paid-for content.

Of course some reviews are real, and there's an art to deciphering the wheat from the chaff. The problem is that there's the constant pressure you describe to drown out legitimate reviews or otherwise game the system, so that 'art' becomes more and more tricky and less reliable. I gave up on reading the Yelp tea leaves a long time ago, and other prominent ones like Google Maps and Tripadvisor have been getting worse over time. I can still usually intuit my way through Amazon and and Steam reviews, if there's enough reviews and I take my time.

Re: Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

#237

Good for her. Yelp's business model seems to work best if they can pick winners, which is unfortunate. If I search for "dinner" on Yelp for "current location" and look at the map, it leaves out an astonishing number of places that I can see within a mile if I drive down the street. And if your business model is centered around hiding all but the winners - who might pay for placement + reviews both - then you have to…

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Re: Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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I am surprised a yelp/google alternative has not been created with a feature to establish provenance of a review. Perhaps something like a receipt which contains a unique link and that person can provide a review through the link. The review will be posted as "verified transaction" on the site and overall score of the restaurant is determined from there. "Anonymous" reviews can still be posted but won't be factored i…

What if you didn't have a transaction, such as going into a restaurant and getting awful service?

I imagine this is trickier than it seems initially a lot like content moderation, seems so obvious until you realize how you are walking a fine line.

Re: Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at Yelp in 2018, and the allegations were there, I would be extremely surprised that a secret like this could be kept if it were true. It was generally a pretty open culture which lots internal open cynicism. There was just 0 evidence or even rumors internally this is true. I believe it's way more likely that the system is large enough to generate outliers that believe they're being targeted. However, hyper…

Is it possible that sales reps were using the publication of negative reviews by others as a tip-off of which businesses would then be more likely to purchase the service by which negative reviews could be removed? If so, the timing of those sales pitches along with negative reviews could make it seem like this is what was happening.

I could only speculate about that.

Re: Bay Area woman is on a crusade to prove Yelp reviews can’t be trusted

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> Yelp, founded in San Francisco in 2004, is deeply entrenched in American consumer habits is it really? couldn't tell you the last time i loaded yelp.com on purpose.

Your experience may not be the general American experience. It is a bit ridiculous that I need to point this out.

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