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Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by PhoenixReborn »

nitia wrote: post #227
drumhead wrote: post #72

Original Digg was what reddit is now. And Reddit was what Hacker news is now. But luckily I cant see a mass migration here from reddit. I cant even see a reddit replacement. Discord is the platform of choice for discussion these days. Most users will either drift off there or find alternative single issue forums to replace what they were viewing on Reddit. This is one of the places i'll come to but I'll see if I can…

Lemmy?

No chance. If the Twitter/Mastodon debacle taught us anything it's that federated networks have a long way to go before they can achieve anything close to mass adoption.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mynameisvlad »

mistermann wrote: post #193
jboy55 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Just asking questions" is the biggest red flag of ill intent, its not doubt I would ban someone for resorting to that. Especially if we look at the facts given in the comment. " saying at the time we didn't yet know how many doses and on what schedule of the vaccine would be needed." "I messaged the mods to explain that I was triple-vaxxed " So we can infer from this post that this happened sometime after Aug 2021.…

> "Just asking questions" is the biggest red flag of ill intent I consider the playing of the accusation of the JAQ wildcard (an immediate victory in the minds of some subsets of observers) to be a much more dangerous (often literally unrealizeable) cultural norm, it is a go to staple technique in any delusional internet rhetorician's toolkit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

It is a well known tactic for ill intent. For a reason. People do it all the time and should be called out for doing so.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mynameisvlad »

paisawalla wrote: post #111
afavour wrote: post #92

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I’ve also been a Redditor for well over a decade. While I miss the days when it was a smaller niche site (before the Digg implosion it was basically a nerdier, smaller Digg) I still use and enjoy the site plenty today. I have never been accused of being a racist transphobe whatever, if that’s your number one issue with the site maybe some inward reflection is in order? Just don’t get involved in political flamewars,…

> I have never been accused of being a racist transphobe whatever, if that’s your number one issue with the site maybe some inward reflection is in order Perhaps you simply haven't encountered the kind of person who, at the vaguest sense of an opportunity to claim the title of Most Moral Person, will leap up to condescend you based on the most uncharitable and motivated reading of your words.

If one person calls you an asshole, then they might be an asshole. If everyone calls you an asshole, then some inward reflection is in order because you're likely coming off as an asshole.

If it happens again and again, in different circles with different people, like GP indicates happens, then maybe, just maybe it's not everyone else that's the problem.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by spookthesunset »

btreecat wrote: post #120
unsupp0rted wrote: post #97

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I got banned from /r/CanadaCoronavirus for saying at the time we didn't yet know how many doses and on what schedule of the vaccine would be needed. Banned. That's anti-vaxx propaganda on my part, evidently. I messaged the mods to explain that I was triple-vaxxed and what I said was not only factually correct, it wasn't even controversial. The mods patiently replied that anti-vaxx trolls like me will be reported to r…

That doesn't sound like the full story.

> That doesn't sound like the full story.

Nope. That is it. Many, many subs would outright ban you if you dared to question the narrative or posted to a "misinformation" subreddit like /r/lockdownskepticism. It was pathetic, honestly. God forbid anybody disagree with what society chose to do with covid....

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mynameisvlad »

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #219
dspillett wrote: post #182

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> This is war, That pretty much sums up most online forums these days. Most of one group: This disagrees with my views. I'm going to boycott it / ridicule it / or ask it to go elsewhere / some/all of the above. Most of another: This disagrees with my views. THIS IS WAR, I will destroy it! A few sensible people on all sides try to have a more mature debate, but are drowned out by the cacophony, mostly from those decla…

I think you're forgetting the mass censorship, which you so cutely describe as "ask it to go elsewhere". If the original Reddit, facebook, or most other OG forums were introduced today, that "one group" would do everything in their powers to take it offline. The everyday members of that group also refuse to use that service until it conforms to their censorship needs.

https://media.tenor.com/Qqhtb7KbrGcAAAAC/princess-bride-you-...

You need to learn what the word "censorship" means if you want to continue using it and have people take you seriously.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by btreecat »

b59831 wrote: post #228
btreecat wrote: post #118

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As someone who used to mod, jfc you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position. I know that had you stepped up to help out one of your favorite subs, you'd have a different lense. You comment is v clearly just ignorant.

> As someone who used to mod ... I'm pretty sure you were the problem

I am certain the SPAM, low quality tooling, and shitty users were the problems. There is no pleasing everyone sure, but there is also no winning even accepting most folks, like yourself, not only won't understand but don't want to, when mixed with the barrage of "can I shill my junk here?"

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mynameisvlad »

mrguyorama wrote: post #140
geerlingguy wrote: post #94

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Yeah; almost all the subreddits with more than a few thousand members have decided you can't post any links to anything of your own, labeling it self promotion. I think corporate blogspam is to blame. But I have been soft-banned from the Raspberry Pi subreddit for years (which is rich!) for self promotion since I used to link to my blog posts about various Pi topics. So I started doing text posts, and would have 3-5…

>But I have been soft-banned from the Raspberry Pi subreddit for years (which is rich!) for self promotion since I used to link to my blog posts about various Pi topics. "I was banned from a subreddit for self promotion since I promoted my own blog" Like, come on man.

Yes, I agree, in general.

But to be completely fair to him, it's Jeff Geerling.

Being hyperbolic here, but practically all the content in the Pi (and Homelab, and several other subreddits) is either directly his or in some way derivative of his work. He has just put in that much time and effort into this space.

So the same post that got deleted would have likely been reposted, with less context, minutes later. Likely multiple times by multiple different people.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by btreecat »

torstenvl wrote: post #215
btreecat wrote: post #118

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As someone who used to mod, jfc you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position. I know that had you stepped up to help out one of your favorite subs, you'd have a different lense. You comment is v clearly just ignorant.

GP expressed an opinion about abusive moderators. Your response is to disagree with him, identify yourself as a moderator, and then... be abusive? How exactly did you think that profanity and personal attacks were going to help make your point?

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by edrxty »

nitia wrote: post #227
drumhead wrote: post #72

Original Digg was what reddit is now. And Reddit was what Hacker news is now. But luckily I cant see a mass migration here from reddit. I cant even see a reddit replacement. Discord is the platform of choice for discussion these days. Most users will either drift off there or find alternative single issue forums to replace what they were viewing on Reddit. This is one of the places i'll come to but I'll see if I can…

Lemmy?

There's one guy who spends a ridiculously large amount of time posting nothing but pro Russian and Chinese propaganda on various communities and I've seen people turned off to Lemmy just because of him.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

alienthrowaway wrote: post #225
pdntspa wrote: post #132

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I have to agree with GP, I am part of several subreddits where the moderators clearly enjoy being kings of their precious little fiefdom. Some of these folks are downright fascists, and the only way to fix it is to start a new subreddit or try appeal to reddit staff Maybe the burden of moderation makes them this way, I don't know. But reddit is worse off with them.

Edit: this comment is descriptive, not prescriptive If you have ever moderated a subreddit you'd understand why mods wind up with heavy handed approaches. Even moderately sized subreddits are a lot of work, especially of a post gets to the front page. You can't have gourmet experiences at fast-food scale. When you have a long list of reports to go through, and you have been moderating long-enough, your decisions are…

False positives are always preferable to the person who gets to make them.

They're somewhat less so to those who end up being the false positives.

If your hobby's main forum on the internet dried up and withered away 12 years ago because the only place to discuss it is reddit, then it's not as if such a person can just go elsewhere. You have a monopoly on the conversation and you're clearly not interested in justice anywhere near as much as you're interested in kicking out people you just don't like well enough to care about justice for them.

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