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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by inferiorhuman »

speedgoose wrote: post #224
Mawr wrote: post #185

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- "Tesla was both the least reliable but most popular EV brand in a survey of owners that found one in three of all EVs had major issues in the past year" [1] - "Electric vehicles are less reliable than gas cars, according to a survey of UK drivers." [1] - "Kia was the most reliable EV maker in the study, while Tesla was the least reliable." [1] - "Consumer Reports Still Ranks Tesla Reliability 27th Out Of 28" [2] -…

It’s true. Luxury cars using brand new technology are less reliable that cheap and simple cars with old fashioned technologies. The first Tesla model S were particularly not very reliable. Lot of equipments, new vertical integration from Tesla on many parts, unreliable premium technology such as air suspension… The model 3 and y are a bit better. The electric (not hybrid) BMW i3 from the same period has been one of t…

I've a 20 year old BMW that's never given me any grief with the air suspension. Air suspension is not new technology and it wasn't new when my car was built.

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Post by photonbeam »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #209
justrealist wrote: post #108

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> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. EVs are practically 0-maintenance machines. Unless you need to change your tires... you just don't think about oil changes or motor belts breaking or engine filters clogging and all the other nonsense that breaks in an ICE car. If you hate Tesla that's a completely valid opinion,…

> I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. Hi! I'm an actual Tesla owner. My Model X is approaching 3 years old. It is the worst car I have ever owned. Almost everything that can break on it, has broken. I would care much less if Tesla would actually try to fix it when you take it in for service (as mine has been for a total of weeks ), instead they lie and say things like "that's nor…

I have interior bodywork that makes creaking sounds when I go over any bump. Was also told by service that’s expected for the model

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

sixQuarks wrote: post #155
gcgbcfy wrote: post #136

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You're the one that sounds like a bot. Owned a Tesla for the past 5 years, zero issues.

Yeah, I’ve spent about five or six times as much servicing my Honda Odyssey over the last three years as my Tesla. And, my Tesla isn’t zero-maintenance but most of the service has involve me parking my car on my driveway and waiting for the mobile tech to show up.

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Post by killjoywashere »

dieortin wrote: post #217
resolutebat wrote: post #191

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The minimalist cabin is the obvious one: it's more spacious and feels much more spacious thanks to the glass roof. I did have severe doubts about the touchscreen and lack of controls, but in practice this has been a non-issue, there are tactile controls for everything you need to actually drive and voice controls for everything you don't (climate, music, etc). The glove box is just stupid though.

You do realize this has nothing to do with it being built from the start as an electric vehicle right? And as far as I know, the polestar is designed as an EV too.

Meh, my wife was grooving for a Polestar so I rented a Polestar 1 for a weekend and we both came away feeling like it was good to rent because we definitely didn’t want to buy it. It was like the Swedes put all their effort into the material design and gave no shits about the UX. The UX was something Ford would have been proud of in 2009.

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Post by buildbot »

pengaru wrote: post #113
soperj wrote: post #96

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They're definitely not silent at 60.

Relatively speaking an EVs 3s 0-60 is ~silent compared to any ICE doing the same 0-60 time. That level of acceleration generally requires a pretty rowdy ICE with the taps wide open.

Yup, an Audi RS3 for example, is not quite when doing that at all...

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Post by LeoPanthera »

photonbeam wrote: post #232
LeoPanthera wrote: post #209

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> I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. Hi! I'm an actual Tesla owner. My Model X is approaching 3 years old. It is the worst car I have ever owned. Almost everything that can break on it, has broken. I would care much less if Tesla would actually try to fix it when you take it in for service (as mine has been for a total of weeks ), instead they lie and say things like "that's nor…

I have interior bodywork that makes creaking sounds when I go over any bump. Was also told by service that’s expected for the model

It isn't, but what they actually mean is that they will refuse to fix it, and "it's normal" is the fastest way to get you to go away.

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Post by te_chris »

bushbaba wrote: post #215
dzhiurgis wrote: post #158

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Tesla is about to overtake BMW by car sales, not just EV But you are quite right. Given Tesla's mission and recent discontinuation of X and S and in RHD markets it wouldn't be surprised if they eventually killed them altogether. Let the premium makers like BMW, MB, Lucid focus on a niche luxury markets; use Tesla's time to make cheaper EVs.

Would be a mistake. The luxury brand pulls in the economy car buyers. The plaid & x is a great marketing tool.

X? Ugliest car on the road.

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Post by jmcphers »

bdcravens wrote: post #202
resolutebat wrote: post #173

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If you're in the market, go for a couple of test drives. The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from ground up as EVs and it shows throughout in ways big and small. We were originally leaning towards getting a Polestar, but the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day.

The eGMP platform options from Hyundai (Hyundia Ioniq 5 and 6, Kia EV6, Genesis GV60) were also built in a dedicated manner. While I have an EV6 (and my wife an ID.4), if I was on the market now, there's a ton of low-mileage Model 3 and Y out there, and the prices have come down significantly.

I test drove a Tesla and an EV6 and wound up with the EV6. Tesla's got a lot going for them but their lead is quickly evaporating.
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