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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by nr2x »

smoldesu wrote: post #169
nr2x wrote: post #166

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As of today it can run Logic Pro. The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.

Does Logic Pro support controller extensions? If they do, they could add "support" with an unofficial plugin like Bitwig or Reaper does. Something tells me the iPad+Push experience wouldn't really be a gamechanger though, at least right now.

Agree, I think it will be limited. However, I could see a niche where it’s a good way to play your tracks live. Maybe you’d have to bounce some tracks in advance if they aren’t iOS compatible for whatever reason.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by nr2x »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #230
coldtea wrote: post #178

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> The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference. For musicians (professional or semi-pro) that use Logic on a laptop the feature parity is nowhere there. They depend on tens of AUs ("VSTs") that aren't available on the iPad for example, on top of lots of other stuff.

Those VSTs won’t run on a push 3 either. Of course ableton comes with a pretty good array of instruments and effects, so maybe this isn’t that big a deal.

Logic definitely has more plugins for way less money though.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by wheels »

gcr wrote: post #110
hammyhavoc wrote: post #89

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I'm not requesting you do anything, I'm not even a customer (as far as I know), I'm saying what I would do in your position if I was aiming to support an audio product on Linux. I explained why I would choose Fedora. It's your business, you run it as you see fit. I can't help but feel that maybe you read too much into what you get sent. I would pick one "known good config" ( your distro of choice), present it as what…

I'm glad you have good ideas about how to run a business like this. But I think your post illustrates the idea that, unlike windows or mac users, us Linux users have opinions about how the business should be run, and we tend to voice them through support channels and emails and social media etc. Every time we voice our ideas, it generates a ticket or a discussion or a decision that they have to deal with. The act of…

I'd add to that, because I think this sometimes isn't obvious for Linux users:

Getting things to work as well on a variety of Linuxes is something that would take us as long as implementing a new feature that a bunch of our users care about. But the former helps some subset of 1% of our users, whereas the latter helps the majority of 99% of our users.

It's not about not caring about Linux; both of us on the project come from a Linux multimedia background (we're both former KDE developers). But at some point in a business you have to decide which place of focusing our effort leaves more users happy.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by franky47 »

craigmccaskill wrote: post #195
psd1 wrote: post #70

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Best Hendrix impersonation I've ever heard: https://youtu.be/jh-hzbG5FzI

Marco's version of purple rain [1] remains one of the most impressive pieces of live performance I've ever seen. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fQbtp2BgY4

Setting the musician's prowess aside, that guitar synth engine is remarkable at rendering the subtle tone nuances of the continuous controls given by the Seaboard.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by sideshowb »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #74
sideshowb wrote: post #30

Very cool but surely it can't be long before AI can generate top quality music? Of course people will still keep creating, and I'm sure there will be an 'organic' no-AI movement, but the exciting music tech of the next 10 years is going to be in that space in between the two... (Ableton user since version 4)

You're missing the appeal of self-expression entirely.

Am I? How?

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by yieldcrv »

grafzhl wrote: post #2

Been making electronic music for well over a decade, but always in the classic DAW arrangement view, at most using MIDI keyboards in terms of haptic input devices but relying on mouse and keyboard 95% of the time. I look at devices like Push or Maschine and my immediate thought is how tedious it seems to get anything done with them. I find the different approaches to manifesting musical ideas endlessly fascinating.

Hm after formal education from producers and audio engineers for some EDM artists I respect, I think the Push 2 is the best re-build of music sequencing since the 1600s, comparing it directly to invention of sheet music and an improvement over that, with the addition of being able to input and execute the sounds in a very efficient way. But with its own learning curve.

But one of the main things that saves time is how loud or soft each note is. Doing this in a DAW is far more tedious, neglected completely for just repetitive electronic music, or requires scripting to provide random-ish entropy to each note. Whereas with a Push its based on how hard you press.

To add some objectivity to this, I would say its more about the learning curve, I couldn't expect someone to pick up a Push and get anywhere fast with it.

But I think people familiar with a keyboard and mouse would benefit from a Push and accelerate their work.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by jmcphers »

gcr wrote: post #103
jtode wrote: post #36

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Musician here, most of us (the ones that aren't also programmers) just have to pay up the arse every time for every thing. I've been teaching myself keys the last few years and had been planning to one day get myself a big $6k stage keyboard, when I felt that I had sufficiently developed to warrant it. I have since tried out Zynthian, and my conclusion was that with a pianoteq license and a good controller, I can hav…

offtopic, but what keyboard controller do you recommend? I have a cheap MIDI keyboard but the keyfeel is all wrong compared to the upright pianos I used to play as a kid. I'd like to get back into piano, and I know I struggled with phrasing/dynamics, and I worry that unweighted keys will teach me bad habits even though they're technically velocity sensitive...

The best keyboard controllers are made by companies that also make pianos. What I'd recommend is searching for the term "stage piano" -- these are compact instruments that are designed to be a piano first but can also be used as a MIDI controller. You'll get solid piano sounds and an upper-end keyboard action from these out of the box, but can also hook up MIDI to your laptop if you want to explore software-based synthesizers/VSTs.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by pier25 »

rewgs wrote: post #212
pier25 wrote: post #203

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Obviously I meant replacing the computer part with an iPad, not the controller. > No one cares what CPU it has Good luck running a dozen instances of Diva if you don't care about the CPU :)

> Obviously I meant replacing the computer part with an iPad, not the controller. > Good luck running a dozen instances of Diva if you don't care about the CPU Good luck running...most plugins, u-he or otherwise, on an iPad. That said, the question of which plugins will/won't work running directly on the Push is an interesting question. It runs Linux, no? u-he is one of the few "big" plugin devs that supports Linux,…

> Good luck running...most plugins, u-he or otherwise, on an iPad.

Yeah that's a good point. OTOH all the U-He stuff is already ARM native for macOS.

But my point about the iPad was more about comparing the cost. If Ableton had chosen to sell the computer part at a more reasonable price (say $300) I would't have even mentioned it.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by FireInsight »

adriand wrote: post #80
dottjt wrote: post #45

Personally, I don't really like the Push platform, having previously owned a Push 2. I can understand the value of it if you're performing live, however the hard reality is that it's a really inefficient way to create electronic music. The mouse and keyboard are simply a lot faster to use. With that said, maybe that's for you. But if you're trying to make advanced productions as quickly as possible, then I really see…

A keyboard and a mouse might be faster in some instances, but they are also far less musically expressive. When it comes to putting emotion into music, I think it is a lot easier to do so with an expressive, physically embodied musical instrument. In terms of speed, I'm also not sure how quickly you can create articulations like vibrato and slides with a mouse and keyboard, but that seems like it would be fairly tedi…

That's not the point of the parent comment. For the expressive feel of a "real instrument", just a MIDI controller would do. The Push's are a lot more than just a MIDI controller, though. As a Push 2 owner, I use the other features way too little for them to be worth it to me, and I wouldn't buy it again. As a MIDI controller, it's my go-to. Mostly because I don't have much else than that and some old synths.
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