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Re: Fuck being productive

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Post by Alupis »

cstrahan wrote: post #112
escapedmoose wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems a little disingenuous. Of course they know you’re there primarily for money, so that’s not really the question they’re asking. They’re really asking “why are you looking for money from us and not someone else?” You can be cynical and call that “performance” or be realistic and recognize it as communication shorthand.

Are you assuming “money” isn’t also the answer to this implied question?

You can earn money from practically any business. Why do you want to earn money from this business? What about it makes you more interested to spend your time here than somewhere else? Lots of places pay well, after all.

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Post by asdff »

fswd wrote: post #90
sBqQu3U0wH wrote: post #15

Honestly, I do feel somewhat similar. I work a normal 8-hour day and I am not obsessed with productivity nor I am some kind of anti-work activist, but it just feels like such a waste of time. The only reason I go to work is for money. I don't care about the products we build for someone else (why should I?), nor the technologies used (each of which brings its own challenges and frustrations). If I didn't need to go t…

It's funny, if you say this duringg an interview "Why do you want the job?" "Money" you won't get hired. So it becomes a performance artist act.

It's funny that this won't get you hired considering an employee motivated purely by money would do all the corporate malarky to try and run up that compensation ladder. HR should be preferring candidates with these tendencies if they want someone who will actually hit all their metrics.

Re: Fuck being productive

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Post by asdff »

escapedmoose wrote: post #105
fswd wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny, if you say this duringg an interview "Why do you want the job?" "Money" you won't get hired. So it becomes a performance artist act.

That seems a little disingenuous. Of course they know you’re there primarily for money, so that’s not really the question they’re asking. They’re really asking “why are you looking for money from us and not someone else?” You can be cynical and call that “performance” or be realistic and recognize it as communication shorthand.

What is wild about this question is that I would get asked this sort of stuff while applying for minimum wage work way back in highschool, on paper applications and in interviews. You are short staffed for a given shift and I am available to work then, that should be the extent of the application and interview for unskilled labor where you don't even give me benefits and charge me for my uniform.

Re: Fuck being productive

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Post by [deleted] »

feoren wrote: post #207
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #156

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Servitude is thinking that you do.

Go tell that to the single mom working two minimum-wage jobs just to feed and house her kids. Go tell that to the homeless person. To the recent grad barely paying off the interest on his student loan that he took because he "had to go to college". Come off it.

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Re: Fuck being productive

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

cstrahan wrote: post #112
escapedmoose wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems a little disingenuous. Of course they know you’re there primarily for money, so that’s not really the question they’re asking. They’re really asking “why are you looking for money from us and not someone else?” You can be cynical and call that “performance” or be realistic and recognize it as communication shorthand.

Are you assuming “money” isn’t also the answer to this implied question?

Engineers whose only interest (and competency) in tech stems from "$$$$" are usually not the best to work with.

Re: Fuck being productive

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Post by lisasays »

kortilla wrote: post #60
sBqQu3U0wH wrote: post #15

Honestly, I do feel somewhat similar. I work a normal 8-hour day and I am not obsessed with productivity nor I am some kind of anti-work activist, but it just feels like such a waste of time. The only reason I go to work is for money. I don't care about the products we build for someone else (why should I?), nor the technologies used (each of which brings its own challenges and frustrations). If I didn't need to go t…

> I don't care about the products we build for someone else (why should I?) This mindset is how you kneecap your career. You’ve pigeonholed yourself into the foot soldier category when it becomes immediately obvious to managers that you aren’t thinking about what’s actually good for the company. You may already know this, but it needs to be explicitly called out that taking that approach to your business relationship…

My spin would be: "This is how companies kneecap employees, by forcing them to think this way."

"But how could this ever be possible, in a field with high salaries and a permanent shortage of skilled workers?", you ask.

By constantly punishing us for caring. By continually providing shitty office space, and bullshit-driven work cultures and interview rituals. And just plain lying, toxic managers and co-workers to deal with.

And then asking us to invest the best years of our livesin all of the above, and then to "care" ... in exchange for not-so-great compensation, a joke vacation allowance - and zero job security.

Re: Fuck being productive

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Post by BirAdam »

mulmen wrote: post #202
cableshaft wrote: post #172

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I don't live in Canada, but Toronto has an average housing cost of $1.1 million dollars (USD)[1], which is almost as much as San Francisco (at $1.3 million dollars)[2]. Meanwhile the average salary in Toronto is $52k USD per year[3], versus San Francisco's average salary of $109k[4]. So that might give you some idea. [1]: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-home-sales-1.... [2]: https://www.zillow.com/home…

I’m more interested in how this happened, not that it is happening.

Having very low interest rates for too long a period of time.

Re: Fuck being productive

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Post by asdff »

missedthecue wrote: post #133
sesteel wrote: post #45

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This deserves to be upvoted more. Trading your life for financial gain has diminishing returns. You'd think everybody's goal would to be free of servitude.

The point where the diminishing returns start happening is actually quite high however. Especially if you don't earn a US salary.

Stress takes off years of life too. IMO no job is really worth stress. Whats the point of working that hard to die five or ten years after you retire?

Re: Fuck being productive

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

mulmen wrote: post #202
cableshaft wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't live in Canada, but Toronto has an average housing cost of $1.1 million dollars (USD)[1], which is almost as much as San Francisco (at $1.3 million dollars)[2]. Meanwhile the average salary in Toronto is $52k USD per year[3], versus San Francisco's average salary of $109k[4]. So that might give you some idea. [1]: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-home-sales-1.... [2]: https://www.zillow.com/home…

I’m more interested in how this happened, not that it is happening.

The correct answer is the cost of construction and the unwillingness to build more/higher density housing.

Construction used to happen a lot more than it does now. Demand keeps increasing, but the supply isn't increasing as fast as it used to.

Every homeowner who treats their home as an investment vehicle is game theoretically forced into NIMBYism so that the rich get richer.

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