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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by smoldesu »

rektide wrote: post #77

There's a "Ryzen AI" on these AMD cores that is really a modest sized fpga, supposedly. Linux has been landing some support for interfacing with this- calling it XDNA (on a new "CDX" bus) - but no signs yet that users can program it. Would be a fun thing to get exposed to users. Fingers crossed that actually happens; I could definitely see this being very vendored up, that it ends up only really running a couple pred…

Keep an eye on the ONNX runtime[0]. Microsoft has gotten all sorts of weird AI accelerators to work, from OpenVINO to the Rockchip NPU.

[0] https://onnxruntime.ai/

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by rnk »

jeffbee wrote: post #203
estebank wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The modern/hardware equivalent of a WinModem.

A good quip but an imperfect analogy. As WinModem victims may remember, the WinModem DSP was in software. No part of a CNVi radio is in software. It is only a question as to which circuit board contains which parts of the wireless stack.

Still, it seems like it is a kind of lock-in (intel only), to save 10 cents or something. What's expensive about standalone wifi?

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by vorpalhex »

rektide wrote: post #194
vidarh wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any reason why you can't hook up that 4 screen display wall and that NAS at the same time by chaining DisplayPort and/or using a USB4 hub? To me, being hackers means finding ways of circumventing limits, rather than expecting all kinds of connectivity to just be handed to you the easiest possible way. > Edit: based on the voting, I guess only some of us on HN are Hackers! I also have example use cases too, to be cons…

I wasn't being super fair nor nice, but I very much felt like I was trying to combat gatekeeping. I was advocating for open & possible, against someone who was trying to shut people down. Intel has 160 Gbps of throughput available for connectivity. You might be able to physically get data to all the same devices with AMD, but at much reduced bandwidth, and the job wont be as easy. And you won't be able to use thunder…

....then get the Intel processor?

Your external GPU may support USB4. Will depend on the enclosure.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by rnk »

sillystuff wrote: post #230
nrp wrote: post #108

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We've used the Intel AX210 on everything except the original 11th Gen pre-built systems which use AX201 and the Chromebook Edition, which uses AX211. AX210 on Ryzen is a YMMV situation. Neither Intel nor AMD will provide any guidance or support around the combination, and we don't have access to any of the needed source to resolve issues as they come up.

I've been using an AX210 on a Ryzen based laptop since early 2022. I initially had issues with it causing the laptop to lockup hard, if iwlwifi module (AX210 driver) was loaded, on resume from suspend to disk. It was easy to work around using a hook script to down the interface and unload the module before suspend, and reload + up interface if it had been up at time of suspend. S3 suspend to ram / resume worked fine…

"It was easy..." - that doesn't sound that easy to me. I've honestly never had to do something like that to get linux working. Or maybe I'm too lazy and tried to work around things like that.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by ac29 »

rektide wrote: post #194
vidarh wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any reason why you can't hook up that 4 screen display wall and that NAS at the same time by chaining DisplayPort and/or using a USB4 hub? To me, being hackers means finding ways of circumventing limits, rather than expecting all kinds of connectivity to just be handed to you the easiest possible way. > Edit: based on the voting, I guess only some of us on HN are Hackers! I also have example use cases too, to be cons…

I wasn't being super fair nor nice, but I very much felt like I was trying to combat gatekeeping. I was advocating for open & possible, against someone who was trying to shut people down. Intel has 160 Gbps of throughput available for connectivity. You might be able to physically get data to all the same devices with AMD, but at much reduced bandwidth, and the job wont be as easy. And you won't be able to use thunder…

> And you won't be able to use thunderbolt peripherals like external GPUs, if those are available.

USB4 is Thunderbolt and the article explicitly mentions eGPUs work.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by m463 »

squokko wrote: post #125
_V_ wrote: post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

If you need 128GB of RAM then a 13 inch laptop is not what you need.

honestly I wonder if/how that much memory would affect battery life.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by odabaxok »

odabaxok wrote: post #223
aksss wrote: post #188

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Weird, perhaps a regulatory hurdle or different warranty requirements/costs?

I would expect that within EEA most of the regulations would be the same and I don't think it's the problem. What you would need though is translated manuals and such by law. Maybe even localized support for warranties that could raise costs to enter a market. This is only my assumption, but it would make sense, that's why they cover even smaller English speaking countries like Ireland. Or for example Germany is a bi…

I found a nice reply on this topic here in the official forums: https://community.frame.work/t/availability-in-european-unio...

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by ejiblabahaba »

stingraycharles wrote: post #102
rektide wrote: post #77

There's a "Ryzen AI" on these AMD cores that is really a modest sized fpga, supposedly. Linux has been landing some support for interfacing with this- calling it XDNA (on a new "CDX" bus) - but no signs yet that users can program it. Would be a fun thing to get exposed to users. Fingers crossed that actually happens; I could definitely see this being very vendored up, that it ends up only really running a couple pred…

This makes a lot of sense, I was just waiting for their acquisition of Xilinx to materialize in their consumer products in some way. This seems a great way to unlock e.g. some ML potential. The possibilities seem endless.

You're already seeing it. Xilinx led the industry in chip interconnect technology, SERDES, MCMs, die stacking... they've been making chiplet designs since 2011. They were the ones inventing all the interconnect and packaging technology AMD is using in Zen, Epyc, and now Radeon products.

This sketchy-looking link is a marketing slide for Xilinx chip-to-chip interconnect tech from 2019. It's illustrative of the kind of IP AMD was shopping for. https://146a55aca6f00848c565-a7635525d40ac1c70300198708936b4...

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by safety1st »

rektide wrote: post #77

There's a "Ryzen AI" on these AMD cores that is really a modest sized fpga, supposedly. Linux has been landing some support for interfacing with this- calling it XDNA (on a new "CDX" bus) - but no signs yet that users can program it. Would be a fun thing to get exposed to users. Fingers crossed that actually happens; I could definitely see this being very vendored up, that it ends up only really running a couple pred…

Am I reading this right?

* There's a decent built-in gpu

* Or I can plug an external gpu into the back

* Or I can rip out the mainboard on an old Framework and pop this one in

* Or I can pop this mainboard into a Cooler Master case or some rando 3D printed case and have a PC which can sit on my desktop, underneath my TV, etc. (Granted this thing probably won't have the horsepower of a real desktop but for a lot of workloads it's probably be fine)

The original Framework had a great philosophy with limited execution. This seems like a whole new level of utility, and perhaps just the beginning of what an ecosystem built around the Framework could become. The question you usually have to ask about any product is why would I buy this? But in this case I'm struggling to come up with good reasons NOT to buy. I already have a laptop, a desktop, and a living room PC. If I can potentially refresh the Framework to fulfill ANY of those roles what excuse do I have to not to own one?

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