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Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by ptmcc »

Larrikin wrote: post #119
ptmcc wrote: post #117

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You're completely right, and as a baseball fan myself I deeply sympathize, but it's not so much MLB that is the problem (today) but the patchwork of cable-based Regional Sports Networks (RSNs) that have contracts for exclusive broadcast rights from MLB that were inked years ago. In a lot of cases teams even have ownership stakes in their own RSN. So now all the local broadcast rights (and $$$) belong to these RSNs in…

Seems like Marquee has some relationship to Bally and Sinclair so hopefully the bankruptcy helps. But it is absolutely disgusting to me that the network was created just to make it harder to watch Cubs' games so they could make more money after decades of them being free to watch. It wasn't some old regional network deal, the network was created in 2020 when cord cutting was well underway.

Oof that's dumb as hell I didn't realize it was such a recent deal

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Post by RollAHardSix »

thanatropism wrote: post #192
RollAHardSix wrote: post #109

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Exactly this. I am a rabid women's soccer fan. I study and follow the draft like a professional coach, watch as many matches as I can, drive three hours to NWSL matches when I can, try and catch overseas games when possible, and I am continuously frustrated by the broken state of sports streaming. The NWSL shows up on ParamountPlus, unlesss its on CBS, unless its on CBSSN, unless its on Twitch on like three different…

I presume you're fairly knowledgeable of men's soccer too, even if it's not your cup of tea. What are important things that are different in the women's game? Tactical style, practical impact of rules, physicality of contact fouls, etc? Are brawls (controlling for country/culture) as common in women's soccer as in men's?

Brawls no, not that I'm aware- though there are very opinionated fan-bases and supporters groups even state-side who have had great success protesting owners, abusive coaches, etc. In England the women's game was banned for fifty years so likewise, the fan base never developed the same way as the men's though that's changing.

I tend to watch big matches on the mens side so I will answer what I can. The physicality of women's matches here in the states is high, just check out I think Sierra Gordon on twitter a few days ago where she posted a rather, surprisingly, dirty blindside play by Alex Morgan. The women are scrappy, and play rough physically like they are in college still- whereas the men tend to hold themselves back more if you watch closely. The women tend to play every match of the league full throttle and that's because by the end of the season, you usually have four or five teams fighting for a playoff space.

Women foul more as their technique is generally worse, because of a lack of high level coaches in the youth side to engrain habits. That being said, they don't complain and fake like the men do. Some preppy youth players come in w that prep-school attitude as I like to call it, but in a season or three its usually out of them.

Tactically the game is slower, the game has more upper 90's goals, but a lot of that is lack of proper youth training too. Canada's womens soccer team had a female coach who drilled average passing speed as a team into them and they almost rivaled the mens statistics. I think that was 2011 or 2015 and they did v well. Do some research on that and you can probably find a whitepaper. Average passing per minute or something like that. Tactically too, a superstar or two still is capable of greatly influences the game at a high level, like basketball.

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Post by hydrok9 »

oplav wrote: post #17
programmarchy wrote: post #9

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Yep, NHL blackouts are idiotic. Hard to imagine they are selling more arena tickets that way.

NHL blackouts (at least today’s NHL blackouts) are not for getting fans into arena seats. They exist because local cable broadcasts own the exclusive rights to broadcast games in local markets.

What gets me is, if I'm in Central Canada, and I want to watch a Montreal game on Sportsnet East, it's blacked out for me! I get that it's a direct feed, but what is the point of offering me the channel if I can't use ot.

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Post by oatmeal1 »

toxic wrote: post #90
oatmeal1 wrote: post #61

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FWIW GamePass in the US is cheaper, but godawful software that will, for example, force you to clear your cache and log back in every time you want to watch another game. Every year it gets a fresh new look, removes a couple features, and adds bugs. It's the worst software I've ever used.

Does GamePass in the US stream games live? Because GamePass outside of the US does (in addition to the on-demand and condensed games and "all 22" stuff that the US GamePass gets). It's kind of like NFL Sunday Ticket but delivered by akamai instead of satellite.

No live games :/

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Post by duskwuff »

bobdvb wrote: post #197
RobotToaster wrote: post #158

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>Mux gets legal nastygrams from the content owners. Doesn't the DMCA give several days to remove the content? At which point any stream will be long gone anyway?

That's not correct, there's no time allowance to remove. What there is, from the person issuing the DMCA, is two weeks before you can start legal proceedings. You could argue that this means that you don't have to act for two weeks, but in practice this is where if you got into legal proceedings you'd be looking at damages claims for the period. You get two types of hosting providers: those who act promptly and those…

> That's not correct, there's no time allowance to remove.

Letter of the law (17 USC §512) is that the service provider is required to "act expeditiously to remove, or disable access to, the material" upon discovering that it infringes upon copyright. The law doesn't define precisely what "expeditiously" means, but it's understood that it should, at a minimum, be handled at a similar priority as other urgent business requests. You don't need to wake someone up from a dead sleep to do it, but you can't sit on the request either.

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Post by marcus_holmes »

zamnos wrote: post #178
marcus_holmes wrote: post #106

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Can confirm. We had a shared-house discussion recently about this. Everyone put their hand up to pay for one streaming service, except for the people who said they'd prefer to pirate their video because it's so painful to pay for. They did not do the same for music because it's unnecessary - everyone has their own Spotify/Apple subscription that gives them access to all the music.

Heads up that a Spotify family plan is cheaper for 6 people than 6 individual plans.

What happens to that if one of us moves out and has to go back to a single plan?

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Post by pfannkuchen »

emacdona wrote: post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

I actually feel this should maybe be regulated. Sportsball** seems to manipulate humans at an instinctive level to a degree that most other media doesn’t, stirring up an artificial form of tribalism or patriotism. To then charge a huge amount of money and make people basically do a dance to get the product is gross. Especially when it is so popular among groups with not so much disposable income to throw at it, and when tax dollars are often used to fund sports infrastructure (at least in the US).

**I.e. spectator-focused sports leagues, not leagues regular people actually play in, those don’t have this issue.

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Post by asdff »

Larrikin wrote: post #112
emacdona wrote: post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

I hope that whoever the executives are over at the MLB who decided that blacking out games on streaming services was a good idea, are well into their 60s and 70s and will be dying or retiring soon. I lived a ten minute walk from the Cubs' stadium and really wanted to watch every game. I moved to Chicago the year before they won the world series and got to experience all the build up, so was extremely excited to follo…

>Blackout rules feel like a completely untenable situation if baseball wants anyone under 45 to get in to the sport.

It's crazy thinking about baseball growing up. It was just on TV. Or it was on the Radio. Or it was in the newspaper. Either way, it was everywhere you looked during baseball season. These days its a different world. People don't subscribe to the newspaper and see the big win on the front page anymore. They don't listen to AM radio swing by swing while they drive, cut grass, watch their kids, operate the cash register at work, doing whatever with the game on. It was so amazingly unavoidably accessible.

These days its totally locked down. You can't fire up any TV you encounter and get to the game in a few presses of a remote anymore. You can't be sure you'd see the game when you'd go out in bars, much less overhear anyone's AM radio. Executives forgot why baseball became America's pasttime: because it was in your god damn face all the time! It's like making friends, you tend to make friends with the people life happens to have you spend more time with, like your classmates or coworkers you spend the bulk of the day with. Baseball is really in a death spiral with the direction of the current mlb office IMO. And that is to say nothing about the actual state of the game of baseball (various hardly punished cheating scandals, favoritism in officiating, juiced balls, etc).

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Post by Mandatum »

quelltext wrote: post #115
Mandatum wrote: post #40

Wow. n8n in production. Bold.

Can you expand a bit. I was not familiar with n8n and looked at their website and it seems they have many users. Why is it bold? Why shouldn't it be able to handle the task here?

Having used it pretty heavily in a containerized desktop environment, I wouldn't use it in production for anything business critical. It's a mix of "there's too much unknown" under the hood, and "there's weird things that I can't reproduce". It hadn't really reached critical mass as of yet, so support from the community is lackluster.

I'd sooner pay a bucket for something like Tines to offload critical mechanisms, and then do the dirt-cheap stuff on n8n.

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Post by NullPrefix »

smegger001 wrote: post #16
Entinel wrote: post #4

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I used to work in IT and one of my responsibilities was managing the company email and TONS of people used their work email for personal stuff. At least 1/3 of the company.

what do these people expect to happen if they change jobs and loose access to their accounts?

You don't lose your account in some service just because you lost the email it was created with. Sure, previous employer could takeover your account by resetting password, but do you really expect them to do that?
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