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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

You should come here and find some meaning painting my fence. While you are at it, the toilet in the basement is clogged, there is shit water all over the place. You could find meaning there too.

I know many people in my circles who would find literal religious meaning in the work of painting your fence.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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You think programmers are indispensable? "Learn to code"? I think you, likely as not, have a rude awakening ahead of you. GPT can enshittify code, too. Unwind libraries into oceans of repeated Copilot-descendant code all over the place. It'll just take longer.

They seem less dispensable than any other white collar professionals if we're talking about AI taking jobs.

"Less" isn't "not".

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? > Though some people in some companies might be laid…

>>This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects.

No offense but who wants to spend most of their time on leisure activities. That gets old fast. It is a lot more fun being productive. Maybe I'm just weird.

A person on minimum wage in the USA today can enjoy a higher quality of life than kings of a few hundred years ago. My point being that automation has brought huge benefits to society, even if we are blind to them.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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post #170

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

> companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services How exactly is that a good thing? We already consume too much, now we will have 10x as much to consume? Unlikely that demand for "the things" goes up 10x, which means the value will drop.

> Unlikely that demand for "the things" goes up 10x, which means the value will drop.

And/or advertisers will get even shadier, competing even harder for the elusive dollar.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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post #214

>Very few people truly understand the implications of this technology. Most people haven’t had a chance to try it yet. Can someone explain this? People keep asking me about ChatGPT but none of them have tried it. Why? Are people too scared to even take a look? It's been free for almost half a year now!

Most people are tarded up

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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post #170

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

> companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services How exactly is that a good thing? We already consume too much, now we will have 10x as much to consume? Unlikely that demand for "the things" goes up 10x, which means the value will drop.

Also, it matters what you consume. I e a lot of work is only necessary to support other workers or ‚bs work‘ like selling ppl things they don’t really need.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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This sentiment reminds me of Burdens. https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/16/burdens/

“[on the topic of a patient with moderate brain damage] back in the Environment of Evolutionary Adaptedness, in a nice tribe with Dunbar’s number of people, there would be no problem … he could just hang out and live in a cave and gather roots and berries and maybe hunt buffalo….

“But society came and paved over the place where all the roots and berry plants grew and killed the buffalo and dynamited the caves… This increased productivity by about a zillion times, so most people ended up better off. The only ones who didn’t were the ones who for some reason couldn’t participate in it… Society got where it is by systematically destroying everything that could have supported him and replacing it with things that required skills he didn’t have.

“…Imagine an employment waterline, gradually rising through higher and higher levels of competence. In the distant past, maybe you could be pretty dumb, have no emotional continence at all, and still live a pretty happy life. As the waterline rises, the skills necessary to support yourself comfortably become higher and higher. Right now most people in the US who can’t get college degrees – which are really hard to get! – are just barely hanging on, and that is absolutely a new development. Soon enough even some of the college-educated won’t be very useful to the system. And so on, until everyone is a burden.”

I see this happening myself as well. Part of my job as a hotel receptionist is taking bookings over the phone: in many cases I am literally just asking them questions and typing their answers into a form, exactly the same form that is available on our website. They even get the same price as if they went to our site directly. But they call up instead, because phones are within their capability to understand, while websites are definitely not. E-commerce has brought increased economic activity, but for some people it has also paved over most of the ways they are capable of performing economic activity.

GPT4 has raised the productivity waterline to a level where “people who blog” are now underwater, so we’re hearing about it a lot more. But it’s just an instance of the general phenomenon. Civilization has been systematically drowning the less cognitively fortunate for a few hundred years, and we should have had something in place to address this long ago.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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post #217

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From what I have seen, ChatGPT is good for small code. But, as the code gets bigger, it falls apart. I mean, it's not an analysis tool. It's a human mimicker/simulator

ChatGPT != GPT4

I mean this is true for GPT4 too once your code starts getting large enough.

Using APIs can get you a larger external memory, but we still have relatively small context windows these days.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

> find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income.

that system was called communism, and so far, it has not had any of the success that those envisioning it had wanted.

I cannot see how ownership of the output of automation and AI could be distributed evenly. At best, the people being made obsolete would be given food stamps and the barest of life's necessities so they don't die in the streets (and even that, is getting hard as earth runs out of resources). Until the day humanity discovers how to obtain a post-scarcity society, all income must directly be linked to labour.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

>that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives.

See, that worked through the 20th Century because we, in the West, had effectively unlimited materials and unlimited energy - we just had people dig it out of the ground, easy.

But now we realise that fossil fuels wouldn't last forever, both because of environmental impact and it just plain running out.

Any plan for the future that requires us to produce more in order to get out of a crisis is 100 years too late.

We need to distribute the benefit of the efficiencies, not think we can produce 10 times as much junk because we made things more efficient.

But Capitalists thrive when we create more waste, strip more non-renewables, make more pollution.

Re 2) built in sanity checks aren't too hard; yes we'll keep humans in the loop for high-cost and life critical systems for a few more years.

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