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Re: Building GitHub with Ruby on Rails

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Post by kdazzle »

KyeRussell wrote: post #54
fernandotakai wrote: post #37

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django 4.2 has two dependencies: asgiref and sqlparse. other than that, none. django does not use sqlalchemy as its ORM, it has its own system (which i prefer!).

Amen. Until recently, I was exclusively working with Django for 5+ years. I definitely fell into the trap of making the ORM for granted. Had a brief foray into the JS world and despite plenty of slick-looking projects with fancy pants websites, nothing remotely compares.

Same here, I came into a project that had been started months before and found that they were spending weeks reimplementing stuff that comes out of the box in Django. But not as well.

Re: Building GitHub with Ruby on Rails

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Post by hocuspocus »

didip wrote: post #227

I must be the only person on Hacker News who dislike Ruby. It simply has too much magic and doesn't offer enough abilities (unlike Elixir or any Scheme variant) to justify the dynamic type nature. Go and Rust are perfect for me (and maybe Zig?). They covered everything I need.

No, you aren't the only one. I used RoR at its peak hype in 2009 and I wasn't impressed. Even super boilerplaty alternatives at the time (like Spring 2.x and iBatis) were a lot more manageable in my opinion. And the few good ideas from frameworks like RoR and Django have long been stolen by all ecosystems, so I don't really see the point anymore.

Re: Building GitHub with Ruby on Rails

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Post by sickcodebruh »

silasb wrote: post #224
sickcodebruh wrote: post #196

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I started my professional career with Rails 8 years ago and deeply miss aspects of it. It uses lines of code so efficiently, letting you go from zero to product with outrageous speed. Everything is a solved problem. Ruby as a language is so expressive, so beautifully ergonomic, so easy to read. It's such a joy. But the view layer has not aged well. After years of working with a focus on React and TypeScript, I can't…

ViewComponent, from Github makes writing views much better, but it's far from perfect.

Never seen this before, it looks great! I wonder how well it handles Sorbet or RBS types.

Any experience with it? What makes it far from perfect?

Re: Building GitHub with Ruby on Rails

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Post by insane_dreamer »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #209
samwillis wrote: post #9

GitHub running off the main branch is fascinating, and initially sounds mad, but makes so much sense. Assuming they have very high test coverage, running against mainline Rails isn't really any different to having the fork they had before, but they have more influence on future development. It must also be a massive boon for the Rails ecosystem to have such a large property running off the head. Doesn't anyone know o…

You MUST have an insane amount of test coverage to trust something like this to Ruby. I'm new to Ruby, with 13 yoe as a SW engineer. Personally, I find it a very hard language to master. Writing tests often feels like I'm settings variables left and right without seeing them being used in the current context. But that then happens to be part of the let() way in rspec. Now you might say: why use rspec? I inherited thi…

I prefer less opinionated frameworks to RoR, but Ruby is still my favorite language; a pity the ecosystem is so much smaller than Python (esp in the data science space)

Re: Building GitHub with Ruby on Rails

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Post by larusso »

> Ultimately, if more companies treated the framework as an extension of the application, it would result in higher resilience and stability. Investment in Rails ensures your foundation will not crumble under the weight of your application. Treating it as an unimportant part of your application is a mistake and many, many leaders make this mistake

I really like the sentiment of this quote but that is an easy thing to say for a behemoth like GitHub.

I find these blog posts from google, meta, aws etc super awesome since they run and solve problems smaller companies simply don’t have. And they shape how smaller companies solve similar issue at smaller scale. But doing a setup to be practically on bleeding edge rails for example is not something every company can afford. They need LTS releases and the sorts. Still awesome that they managed to achieve this.

Re: Building GitHub with Ruby on Rails

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #233
willlma wrote: post #229

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Please say more. What's your setup?

Sorbet exists, but it’s worse than what Python offers, which is dramatically worse than what TypeScript did to JS.

My experience with Sorbet has been way better than mypy with Python. Sorbet is way more useful.

Re: Building GitHub with Ruby on Rails

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Post by insane_dreamer »

ksec wrote: post #199

And as I have said before but worth repeating again, Rails is perhaps the only open source framework that is being battle tested in development at scale. It may not be the fastest ( or in fact quite slow ), but I dont think you could find similar testing being done and Deployed at the scale of Github on any other framework. I wonder if Eileen Uchitelle will bring this practice to Shopify as well? Edit: It seems [1] S…

That's because for business web apps, the code execution speed is a more minor factor compared to other latency issues.
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