Experts warn yearly checkups carry risks and do not reduce mortality

Post by KronisLV » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 4:47 AM UTC

yesbut wrote: post #228

hayst4ck wrote: post #211

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How do "we" decide something? It sounds like you are advocating for mob rule but calling it democracy. Help me understand how that is not what you are saying. What is the "collective democratic process" you are advocating for? How does a law get made and how does a law get enforced?

Democracy is mob rule. Direct democracy. The fear of "too much democracy" is only a fear for people who are afraid that others might not want the same things they do. One person, one vote is mob rule. What that requires is a well informed, well educated population. Instead we have an ignorant, uninformed population that leaves all of the important decisions to a hand full of representatives that tend to run things th…

Post by yesbut » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 6:09 AM UTC

KronisLV wrote: post #231

yesbut wrote: post #228

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Democracy is mob rule. Direct democracy. The fear of "too much democracy" is only a fear for people who are afraid that others might not want the same things they do. One person, one vote is mob rule. What that requires is a well informed, well educated population. Instead we have an ignorant, uninformed population that leaves all of the important decisions to a hand full of representatives that tend to run things th…

> What that requires is a well informed, well educated population. Isn't this very uncommon, in addition to the need to be at least somewhat compassionate (e.g. in regards to issues that might not affect individuals personally, but that affect minorities, or simply those who are different)? A certain social cooling might be needed in many societies, less extremism, less identity politics, less hate. I don't think we…

Post by elankart » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 7:04 AM UTC

epistasis wrote: post #40

elankart wrote: post #25

I call bullshit on this. I had a very rare heart condition that was discovered during one of my yearly check ups. Chasing the root cause led us to even more scarier findings.

How many examples of bad outcomes would it take to retract your "bullshit" assessment? Ideally, somebody would take all the good that came from the checkups, and compare that to the amount of bad effects where poor interventions were chosen, and weigh them out. Such a study would be quite useful...

Post by yesbut » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 8:09 AM UTC

coding123 wrote: post #236

yesbut wrote: post #228

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Democracy is mob rule. Direct democracy. The fear of "too much democracy" is only a fear for people who are afraid that others might not want the same things they do. One person, one vote is mob rule. What that requires is a well informed, well educated population. Instead we have an ignorant, uninformed population that leaves all of the important decisions to a hand full of representatives that tend to run things th…

But I don't think that's changing. This is key to young person vs old person thinking. Young people believe we can actually change to a well informed population. They end up getting old realizing that wasn't actually possible, become rich (because we're talking about the smart ones here) and then end up donating to representatives for getting things to run the way they believed it should be. See what I did there?

Post by thenerdhead » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 9:18 AM UTC

qgin wrote: post #98

It’s a little concerning that it’s better to have less information. Very few fields work this way.