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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ReptileMan »

TMWNN wrote: post #148
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

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> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

>This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. I figured out a while ago that anyone who mentions the "petrodollar" in a geopolitical context knows knothing about geopolitics. Bonus idiocy points if "BRICS" is mentioned in a way that implies any kind of formal collectivity, as opposed to a catchy nickname Go…

And it seems that all of those large emerging economies have one thing in common - they would love weaker USA.

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Post by swedishfishes »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #186
piva00 wrote: post #158

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> Outside of UK, France, and to some extent, Germany, most of these countries don't even have an immigrant culture to make up for the shortfall. Not really true, for example: Sweden has been doing above EU average on both immigration and higher birth rates (for its development level) to account for the shortfall, it's not that clear cut in Europe as a whole.

Fair, but Sweden's population is just too small to make any meaningful impact on Europe as a whole.

For the curious Americans, Sweden has about the population of Michigan.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by Mindwipe »

kevinherron wrote: post #35

I doubt this is about price like some people in here are suggesting. Maybe a little bit overall market trend, but primarily I would wager it’s because many, many people bought the M1 when it came out and it’s so good that the only people buying M2 are those who waited - it’s a fine spec bump, but not something you would be tempted to upgrade from M1 for.

Why not both?

(Also I think Apple have a long term issue that the MacOS software story is very, very bad and getting worse and now the sheer performance hype of the M chips has worn off customers might actually look at things like "this is literally no use whatsoever for gaming" and get put off by it.)

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Post by guhidalg »

stnmtn wrote: post #204
mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #194

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> The returns are diminishing Always has been. Buying top of the line technology is paying an early adopter penalty. People talk about FPS (frames per second) with gaming PC's and I think its an unnoticeable arms race about numbers. If the human eye can't observe more than 60 FPS and you aren't playing competitively (aka professionally) what will that extra FPS boost get you? Paying for bragging rights (ironic observ…

I agree that there are diminishing returns, but I can promise you that it's easy to stop a difference between 60 FPS and 144 FPS if you have a 144hz monitor. I don't think anyone actually believes that 60 FPS is the "limit of the human eye" Paying for that difference makes sense for some games/genres. For some that doesn't matter.

Seconded. Fast games specially benefit from >60Hz refresh rates. My wife has a 300Hz laptop and playing OW2 on it is amazing, I can track shots better and I can do quick flick shots better than on a 60Hz monitor.

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Post by nicoburns »

vardump wrote: post #124
Dalewyn wrote: post #69

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Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

I'm typing this on a Macbook M2 max with 32 GB RAM. Not all that much open and the memory usage is at 27 GB. Chrome, Teams etc. messaging apps, Xcode and other SW dev stuff. Kinda regret I didn't go for 64 GB.

SW dev stuff tends to take a lot more RAM than consumer/productivity apps though. I would want at least 16 and ideally 32 for software dev. But for general usage I think that would drop to at least 8 ideally 16.

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Post by spoiler »

chii wrote: post #164
piva00 wrote: post #152

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You are right but completely missing the point. The case is not that the PM couldn't have access to a Macbook if they so wanted but that it'd take the head of government of a country a whole month of their take-home salary to afford one. It's quite absurd, not the accessibility for the PM but to give a hint to how the average person of said country would definitely be priced out.

But a mac air is a luxury item, and its pricing reflects that. I don't think it's absurd at all. A similarly capable laptop could be had for a much lower price, so people that complain they cannot get this luxury item for an "affordable" price just sounds entitled to me.

Some people use Macs for work. I guess you can think of it as a long-ish investment and get it on finance, but considering how quickly hardware becomes outdated in some industries where Macs are are either a technical or social must-have, the prices do seem absurd...

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Post by dymk »

pjc50 wrote: post #217
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #145

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Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

Would you like to explain the link between the absolute number of people in a country and the value of its currency vs the dollar?

Not absolute number, but age distribution. One needs to have confidence that the country won't be facing major economic problems due to not enough young people to support an aging population - e.g. Japan.

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Post by gejose »

vardump wrote: post #124
Dalewyn wrote: post #69

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Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

I'm typing this on a Macbook M2 max with 32 GB RAM. Not all that much open and the memory usage is at 27 GB. Chrome, Teams etc. messaging apps, Xcode and other SW dev stuff. Kinda regret I didn't go for 64 GB.

I wouldn't take this at face value. Modern OSes are great at managing RAM, which means RAM only gets cleared as needed. A lot of that 27 GB can likely be cleared, but the OS finds that there isn't any reason to.
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