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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by tlocke »

We've created a society where there are such things as 'jobs' and unless you're rich, you need a job to support yourself and maybe a family. I think this model of society worked reasonably well for a while, but with AI we're coming to the end of that era.

In the next era we'll probably live like aristocrats, but instead of the work being done by servants, it'll be done by AI.

Back to the case of the 3D artist, in this new era she won't need to have a job to support herself, and she will have the freedom to create her art as she wishes.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by jay_kyburz »

Waterluvian wrote: post #42

I saw AI as a tool like Photoshop, and for that reason wasn’t buying all this anxiety. I still see it as a tool, but this post has changed my entire perception of the issue: It’s not that a new tool will replace you. It’s that a new tool might be too compelling to avoid, but be boring and miserable to work with and suck the joy out of your craft.

But come on, how it moving polygons around and snapping verts together really all that fun.

Bringing characters and worlds to life is what artists really dream about, and AI tools make that easier.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by odood »

kmeisthax wrote: post #162
462436347 wrote: post #113

These AI systems will sound the death knell for the creative culture of openness and sharing that emerged during the web 1.0 era with the Creative Commons and OSI-approved licenses and sites like DeviantArt, NewGrounds, and SourceForge, and which still exists today, albeit in a less idealistic form. Once people realize that by putting something, even just a blog post, out for public consumption, especially if done so…

I don't think you actually need copyrighted data to train AI to compete with artists. The argument over copyright is interesting but kind of a sideshow. We already know that copyright protection is not a prerequisite for creativity - as it currently stands copyright only protects the rich. The real reason why AI is going to kill DA/NG/SF/GH/etc is because of spam. Let's say, for every piece a 100% human artist can do…

I believe you are spot on.

We are already seeing the same result of LLMs, with sci-fi magazines (temporarily) no longer accepting submissions and self-publication platforms such as Amazon's being flooded with auto-generated crap.

Hustle culture is part of it, but only one part of what I believe will be a negative outcome for society.

As AI systems display inherent bias, and it is possible to train for that bias (e.g. RightwingGPT), we have essentialy weaponized content generation, and we have no scaleable mechanisms such as fact checking to combat it.

Whether it is low-quality work, spam, disinformation, outright manipulation, copyright violations, or other forms of negative results, we have automated the ability to produce it.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by borissk »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #220
borissk wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The things that are easy to improve have been improved long ago.

Not really, have a closer look at anything outside. The Sun and rain and weather constantly erode the condition of human creations. Try fixing some roads and bridges to start with. They're in terrible shape in most of the US. Any city could probably employ 10 times as many gardeners to take care of the plants and build nicer things. Elderly need taking care of, and young people teaching. Houses need cleaning. Shoes n…

What are you talking about?

Stop the traffic on a road to fix it without local administration permission? Do you think getting such permission is easy? How are you going to pay for the materials to do the repairs? Do you think it's easy to get a job as a gardener?

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by whitemary »

scotty79 wrote: post #190
nirvdrum wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the solution when so much knowledge work is upended at once? When manufacturing jobs were lost, we callously told people to go to college to learn to learn IT. Whether it's art, code, marketing, or other applied knowledge work, there's a mad dash to reshape all of those. And the sales pitch isn't that it's going to let us work less and equitably reap the rewards of productivity (well, I suppose if you lose you…

Universal basic income is always the answer. Since progress bringsuch unpredictability to labor market we need to detach survival from labor so people can survive while they are figuring the stuff out.

More like Universal Basic Capital

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by dimaor »

Kye wrote: post #57
dimaor wrote: post #21

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I think the point is missed here. the post was made by an artist who really likes his craft, and now with the generated models coming to the picture he feels like his work diminished to simply polishing after them. I am a coder who really likes coding, getting results quicker will not make me happier. it is different in a work environment, but still, a lot of people simply enjoy the path and not only the outcome.

It's the same with every person who shows up with AI music composition. "Finally, you can be free from the tedium of composing music and get to the fun parts!" But that is one of the fun parts...

as a hobby music producer, this thing make me sick :)

actually I think this problem started earlier, with many _musicians_ using pre made beats and auto tune. right now it just takes it to a whole other level.

music should be a tool of expression, not one to gain fame & social acceptance

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by borissk »

chriscappuccio wrote: post #119
JeremyNT wrote: post #83

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Sadly, we are not headed to such a future. The economic benefits of these LLMs will go only to the capitalists, and any labor savings will allow them to reduce wages and headcount while leaving workers unemployed or with less bargaining power. AI will be yet another tool to further wealth inequality. We won't be able to afford retiring and tending to our plants.

Solution: be a capitalist

This is a solution that will work for a very small percentage of the people - those who were born in rich families and those who are a lot more driven and/or smarter and/or luckier than the average.

What about the other 99%? As they say a revolution is three missed meals away...

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by lvoudour »

tlocke wrote: post #231

We've created a society where there are such things as 'jobs' and unless you're rich, you need a job to support yourself and maybe a family. I think this model of society worked reasonably well for a while, but with AI we're coming to the end of that era. In the next era we'll probably live like aristocrats, but instead of the work being done by servants, it'll be done by AI. Back to the case of the 3D artist, in thi…

This next era may take 100s of years though, AI taking up physical labor is still science fiction (and I'm not fully sold on the utopia angle). She'll need to support herself much sooner than that, let's be realistic

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by the_only_law »

dimaor wrote: post #236
Kye wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same with every person who shows up with AI music composition. "Finally, you can be free from the tedium of composing music and get to the fun parts!" But that is one of the fun parts...

as a hobby music producer, this thing make me sick :) actually I think this problem started earlier, with many _musicians_ using pre made beats and auto tune. right now it just takes it to a whole other level. music should be a tool of expression, not one to gain fame & social acceptance

There are still masses of people making music without “pre made beats and auto tune” they just don’t get played in places like the radio because the radio is mostly for sanitized stuff that appeals to mainstream trends. I don’t expect most of the artists I listen to because an AI can produce a generic trap beat or something. Of course, there may be more garbage to sift through.
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