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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by cesarb »

nrp wrote: post #167
dakial1 wrote: post #87

I wonder if there is a market for a framework gaming laptop. Really hope there is. Also, on another note, I've read this engadget article about how other companies tried to build an upgradeable laptop and failed but I see Framework as a different kind of beast for one simple reason. This is their only value proposition, they don't have an alternative. In a very "Innovator's Dilemma" kind of. way, Dell and other big m…

We’ve been very deliberate about making this not a traditional gaming laptop, but a laptop that can be configured with enough performance to play intense games. You can configure it without the Graphics Module and have a high-performance 16” notebook with reconfigurable input and easy repairability and upgradeabilty.

Will the graphics module be hotplugable (or at least, able to survive surprise removal or insertion without damaging the laptop and/or the card), or will it require that the laptop be fully turned off (perhaps even requiring to unplug the battery first) before exchanging it?

(My initial guess would be that it will require at least that the laptop be powered off, or will force it to power off when removed, because from what I understood the cooling fans are in that module).

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by nrp »

wjdp wrote: post #186
nrp wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jack Humbert (behind both QMK and OLKB) is actually working on an ortholinear keyboard module for the Framework Laptop 16! We had a mockup of it at the event.

Oh this is exciting news! Is there a link for any more details on this? Would love to see the mockup.

We were hoping there would be press photos of it, but I haven't seen any show up yet. We'll share photos on our social channels later.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by JoshTriplett »

kmeisthax wrote: post #166
JoshTriplett wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The X1 Carbon has two USB-C, two USB-A, a full-sized HDMI, and a headphone jack. I don't personally feel like the framework 13 needs more than 4 expansion bays, but I'd love to see expansion cards that use Thunderbolt to offer (for instance) two USB-C ports, or a USB-C and a USB-A. (There are some experimental unofficial ones attempting this.) If those were available, my four expansion bays would be one Ethernet, one…

There's been discussion of multi-port cards for a while. The main problem is how many different things you can shove on top of USB-C: - USB 2/3 - Power delivery - DisplayPort[0] - PCI Express - Analog audio - USB4 You need some kind of chip that can negotiate two ports' worth of that nonsense and appropriately multiplex them into the correct set of altmodes on the interior port. Some of them have readily available an…

A USB-C plus USB-A expansion card would only need to support any of those on USB-C. That'd be substantially simpler.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Floegipoky »

dakial1 wrote: post #87

I wonder if there is a market for a framework gaming laptop. Really hope there is. Also, on another note, I've read this engadget article about how other companies tried to build an upgradeable laptop and failed but I see Framework as a different kind of beast for one simple reason. This is their only value proposition, they don't have an alternative. In a very "Innovator's Dilemma" kind of. way, Dell and other big m…

I predict that these are going to be a hit with CS students. Performance, customization, repairability, "geek cool" factor; it's exactly what I would have bought.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by zajio1am »

kuschku wrote: post #146
Snuupy wrote: post #83

for the 16": - I would love an option to have upwards firing speakers where flex/numpad space goes instead (one on each side). - please improve the bass in the speakers. according to notebookcheck's review, framework speakers have poor/near 0 bass output. - please offer either a 1080p or 4k screen option on the 16". 1440p-ish screens with DPI scaling hackery is no fun and often leads to blurry UIs.

> DPI scaling hackery Under X11 with KDE, or under Windows, that's no problem whatsoever. 144dpi isn't any more hacky than 96dpi or 192dpi. It's only macOS, Gnome and Wayland that require 1x or 2x scaling (which is absolutely mind-bogglingly ridiculous, and anyone that contributed to that or encouraged that should be banned from ever touching UI code again).

Fractional scaling is just broken by design. If you have combined vector/bitmap graphics (like most web pages) designed for 'canonical' DPI, you can either break proportions between vectors and bitmaps (rendering vectors with proper DPI, while for bitmaps use nearest integer scale), or render everything with proper scale and introduce artifacts like blurring of sharp edges to bitmaps.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by navigate8310 »

nrp wrote: post #165

I’m happy to answer questions that folks have on this. There was also an earlier HN thread on our full launch event where we announced 13th Gen Intel Core and AMD Ryzen 7040 Series versions of the Framework Laptop 13, along with a bunch of other stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35277660

Do you have plans to launch the 16 in India?

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Post by eviks »

nrp wrote: post #174
eviks wrote: post #154

It's a pity the keyboard design never seriously improves even for the niche laptops. Like, the space to the sides is useless here, but if you could split the keyboard and move that space to to the middle - well, know you've moved one step closer towards more ergonomic typing! Or better yet, you could move all those pinky keys there so that instead of moving your right pinky to hit backspace you'd just move your right…

We see interesting use cases for the small modules on the left and right as well if you are not some who wants to slide the keyboard to the left and put a numpad on the right. We’re showing a prototype of an LED Matrix that can be used for low res information display, but other things like a row of extra buttons, a narrow LCD, a capacitive slider, and others are possible too. As a sibling comment noted, it is also po…

With a properly designed keyboard (ortho-staggered or ortho-linear without a huge spacebar) the numpad is not needed, you can have it right around your home row)

But am very glad to hear there is at least potential for innovation here!

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Qiu_Zhanxuan »

cowpig wrote: post #151

What's the battery life going to be for this one? My biggest issue by far with the Framework 13 is that the battery life is really bad (at least with linux). Less than 2 hours of normal use is not really workable. Will this one do better?

Agreed, the Macbook Pro 16" has a 100wh battery and i'm looking for something that has at least 3/4 of its autonomy, otherwise no point in investing into a >1500$ laptop.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by Runways »

sudosysgen wrote: post #224
Runways wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you could make it so you can completely turn off the dGPU through software (boot menu?), pulling no power, it would be insane. I would love the power of a dGPU to play casually on trips but turn it off for normal use when I'm just working. Also, I LOVE that it wouldn't look like a gaming laptop. I'm tired of the gamer-esque design cues, even when they're subtle (RGB keyboards are okay if configurable).

You can completely turn off dGPUs from software nowadays. In theory the driver should do it for you when it's not in use (And I find this works well for me), but you can also forcefully turn them off, both on Windows and Linux, such that they draw exactly 0W.

Hmmm. My experience with XPS 15s is you can turn it off with software in Linux, but it was pretty technical (not something average users would be keen on). I wasn't sure if that was the case for most laptops. It definitely wasn't drawing 0W when I was just coding/browsing/etc though, it doubled the battery life in Linux when I turned it off.
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