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Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by paperwasp42 »

StrangeATractor wrote: post #145
paperwasp42 wrote: post #136

One of the most horrifying social media pages I've seen was an influencer who billed herself as a "trans activist" and documented every moment of her trans daughter's life. This poor kid was 8-years-old and attempted suicide on a regular basis. Every time she tried to kill herself, the mom would document the gritty details, post pictures and details about it online (and of course get massive likes/shares by well-inte…

FFS nobody's called CPS?

I saw a post from the mom mentioning CPS had been called on her, which was the only reason I didn't call myself. I am skeptical of CPS in general, but an 8-year-old with multiple, sophisticated suicide attempts, and a mother making money off these attempts, just seemed way too sketchy to ignore.

Unfortunately, it seemed CPS had cleared her. At the time (this was back in ~2017), I shared the page with a friend who works alongside CPS, and she grudgingly agreed there wasn't really anything CPS could do. The kid seemed to have legitimate medical diagnoses, and the mom could easily argue in court that she was just "documenting her daughter's medical journey."

I can't seem to find the page now, which I'm hoping means it got shut down. Fingers crossed that little girl has found health, happiness, and the privacy she deserves.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by euroclydon »

PuppyTailWags wrote: post #102
rayiner wrote: post #79

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> Children are not born owing their parents anything. Yes they are. That is the function of children with respect to parents in the circle of life, just as it is the function of parents to care for children. Not all obligations are ones you voluntarily undertake. Of course there are boundaries to the scope of that obligation. But those are defined by society, not "consent." The problem in Claire's story is that the p…

More importantly, assuming that children are born owing their parents anything leads to deeply unhealthy societal outcomes: - This enables abusive parenting styles and forces adult children to need to unlearn this lie in order to come to terms with their abuse; - This enables parents having an outsized influence on adult children, such as controlling their sexuality, interests, physical location, etc; Frankly: the pa…

Bad parenting is like water flowing, it doesn't need any particular justification in order to be enabled and find a way to manifest itself

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by cloudfifty »

JamesBarney wrote: post #215
random314 wrote: post #214

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Thank you for sharing your opinions and belief systems with us, no matter how peculiar.

This isn't and one off believe system. It's strongly prevalent in most non western countries and was prevalent in western countries for a long time before now. We're the outlier not him.

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Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by stametseater »

smolder wrote: post #138
stametseater wrote: post #85

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> Proponents frame the practice as a natural expression of parental pride in their children and argue that critics take sharenting posts out of context. You know this framing is BS because they'd all scream bloody murder if monetizing that content were outlawed. It's not about pride in their children, it's about monetizing their children. Of course it's no surprise that somebody psychopathic enough to do this to thei…

No, really. A lot of people just want to show off kids to family and friends, and don't think about the repercussions of making it public on Facebook. The bulk of kid pics post there are not exploitation by the poster, they just don't know better than to trust zuck with photos of children.

> No, really. A lot of people just want to show off kids to family and friends, and don't think about the repercussions of making it public on Facebook

Those posts aren't monetized. To monetize social media posting requires intent, it doesn't happen by accident.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by smolder »

stametseater wrote: post #234
smolder wrote: post #138

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No, really. A lot of people just want to show off kids to family and friends, and don't think about the repercussions of making it public on Facebook. The bulk of kid pics post there are not exploitation by the poster, they just don't know better than to trust zuck with photos of children.

> No, really. A lot of people just want to show off kids to family and friends, and don't think about the repercussions of making it public on Facebook Those posts aren't monetized. To monetize social media posting requires intent, it doesn't happen by accident.

And we're talking about "sharenting" which does not imply monetization at all, hence why the post I replied to was off base.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by StrangeATractor »

paperwasp42 wrote: post #231
StrangeATractor wrote: post #145

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FFS nobody's called CPS?

I saw a post from the mom mentioning CPS had been called on her, which was the only reason I didn't call myself. I am skeptical of CPS in general, but an 8-year-old with multiple, sophisticated suicide attempts, and a mother making money off these attempts, just seemed way too sketchy to ignore. Unfortunately, it seemed CPS had cleared her. At the time (this was back in ~2017), I shared the page with a friend who wor…

Sort of figures. Kids in America don't really have any rights.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by yutijke »

sneak wrote: post #228
rayiner wrote: post #221

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> Just one example: in India people help one's families to a huge extent. But kids are also brought up under heavy use of corporal punishment and there's a high degree of family involvement in children's affairs, such as dictating career choices and marriage. Is that a healthier society? Yes. If an Indian village raises their kids the way Americans do everyone would die of starvation.

Sounds like a tidy solution to the human rights violation that is arranged marriage, and the closely associated tradition of honor killings, the murder of a woman by her immediate family for refusing to submit herself sexually to those chosen by her family for her. The idea that someone could hold such cultures up as an ideal is literally insane to me. It seems to me that these systems stem from the basic concept tha…

For a lot of Indians Arranged Marriage tends to more like introductions from friends except you replace friends with your family.

No one forced my Mother to marry my Father. There was a period where they just talked and got to know each other. She could have said no. Nor did she have to compromise on her career. It was not a business transaction where my Father went to a supermarket to get one wife to cook and bear sons.

It looks like you've read about an Arranged marriage that went bad in a news article and seem to have decided that you know all that's there to it.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

sylens wrote: post #143
zomgwat wrote: post #96

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My wife and I have done similar. We privately share photos. It took a bit for my mom to get over the fact that she can’t post pictures of her grandkids on Facebook but I was eventually able to explain why in terms she understood.

We are also doing this. I'm amazed at how much some people share of their kids online.

Same here, but I don't expect some sort of magic happening. Big tech likely know every detail of my kids anyway. It's just your social circle and bad apples within that you wanna be sure of.

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Post by valarauko »

davidguetta wrote: post #207
valarauko wrote: post #140

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> That should almost be illegal in my opinion since the child can't consent. Genuine Q: at what point can the child consent? A lot of people here are talking about a media blackout of their children since the child can't consent, but when does that end? Can a 5-year-old consent to have their pictures posted online? 10? 15?

The real question is not "when can the child consent" (depends on the child, hard to even define) but "where put the legal age for best reasonable protection of the children". I'd be fine with "no minor on social media" < 16.

> I'd be fine with "no minor on social media" I think is pretty broad, but do you suggest no depictions of under 16s on any online media? It's one thing to restrict minors from participating on social media, but are you suggesting their likeness cannot appear online posted by other people? Parents? School yearbook? School social club?

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Post by CRConrad »

dragonwriter wrote: post #209
ouid wrote: post #202

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Not providing a 10 year old with puberty blockers when you suspect that it is because the child has been manipulated into believing that they have gender dysphoria is practicing medicine. So I am not proposing that we deny anyone access to medicine. Parents with Munchausen's manipulating their prepubescent children into socially transitioning is a good explanation for the rise in prepubscent children socially transit…

> Not providing a 10 year old with puberty blockers when you suspect that it is because the child has been manipulated into believing that they have gender dysphoria is practicing medicine. Not if there is no reasonable basis for that suspicion; in that case, it is just practicing bigotry. > Parents with Munchausen’s manipulating their prepubescent children into socially transitioning is a good explanation for the ri…

> > Parents with Munchausen’s manipulating their prepubescent children into socially transitioning is a good explanation for the rise in prepubscent children socially transitioning.

> Without a causal mechanism to explain the increase in both the incidence of the disorder and that particular manifestation, its a pretty crappy explanation

Eh, what? It's right there in what you replied to: The manipulation is the causal mechanism.

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