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Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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account42 wrote: post #224
blfr wrote: post #144

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Page publishers would still have the same incentive to game the system, only putting a smaller numer of ads, perhaps then more expensive and more carefully selected. If you want to live in that world, you can today by running an adblocker. All major browsers enable you to use one. Even on mobile, vast majority of ads are easily defeated with a simple DNS-based blocking. I only see a handful of ads on Tik Tok and mobi…

> If you want to live in that world, you can today by running an adblocker. That misses the entire point: Google search results will still be manipulated to push those low quality results higher because even if you don't see the ads enough people do that investing in SEO is worth for those sites.

That was my point: if Google rewarded sites with fewer ads, you would get all the same manipulation and low-quality content but with fewer (but perhaps more expensive and carefully selected) ad blocks. You can have that today.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by account42 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #198
j_crick wrote: post #130

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And the worst of SEO pages are cooking recipes, where you have to scroll down screens of badly written meaningless text before you actually get to ingredients list. At least Google still keeps indexing recipe microformats.

Search your recipes on YouTube. It is a better way of getting the information and higher quality. Edit: To the friendly people downvoting me: Try for yourself and you'll be surprised how much good and informative content you can find on YouTube.

No thanks, not going to watch a whole video to get an overview of what I need to prepare.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by tokinonagare »

chimprich wrote: post #76
tokinonagare wrote: post #8

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> Reddit was Yes, it was somewhat good in the past but an alternative is sorely needed. Most popular subs (at least the one I frequent) are moderated to the point that censored would be the more appropriate word to describe the situation. Then there are whole subs banned (including non political) for wrongthink.

> Then there are whole subs banned (including non political) for wrongthink I don't really like defending Reddit, because I don't like them as a company, but I don't think this is correct. There's a financial incentive for them to not ban subreddits, so groups have to behave quite obnoxiously or blatantly break Reddit's rules to get banned. Just having a certain political disagreement is not nearly enough. And if you…

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Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by maleldil »

echelon wrote: post #61
kstenerud wrote: post #7

The worst is the SEO pages, especially for popular how-to topics. Every single first page result will be a page that has expanded what used to be said in bullet point form, into a 1500 word essay that you must now slog through in order to get the information you need. And this is by necessity, because Google values prose over bullet points. The majority of things that come up on search nowadays consist of computer-ge…

Even if Google had been good stewards, they failed to diversify. AI AdBlock is going to kill whatever is left of Google within the year. AI content spam is absolutely going to kill social media and search results, but AI adblock will be worse to Google's bottom line. It's coming, and it's going to be brutal.

Why do you believe that users will start using this "AI AdBlock"? Regular ad blockers are enough to cover current ads. Google also controls the main browser in the biggest mobile OS (Chrome on Android), and it doesn't support ad blockers. There are options (Firefox, Brave, Kiwi, etc.), but most users don't bother.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by ptsneves »

carlosjobim wrote: post #225
stockerta wrote: post #201

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So because its a three letter agency hustle, thats why Tencent bought in to it? ... JFC

Where's the conflict? Do you think American and Chinese interests never align? And to be clear, I think large parts of Reddit is of no interest to government agencies.

> Do you think American and Chinese interests never align?

You know that is impossible to prove or disprove so that argument is worthless.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by gl-prod »

unxdfa wrote: post #190

The entire of Google is dying. Starting with search, the moment you turn off your adblocker you will see why. It's literally a complete crapfest of badly moderated advertising and ranking manipulation. Then there's the default Android experience which literally shovels garbage down you with the Google app and via a version of Chrome with no ad blocking capability. The www is unusable unless you install another browse…

Not only Google, but also the other day I was trying to download Chrome using Edge. Bing had an ad along these lines: Title: "Google Chrome - Download the Fast, Secure Browser from ..." URL:"https://google.com". I was just about to visit this site until I hovered over it and saw that the actual link's URL was very much not google.com.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by tokinonagare »

dageshi wrote: post #151
tokinonagare wrote: post #8

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> Reddit was Yes, it was somewhat good in the past but an alternative is sorely needed. Most popular subs (at least the one I frequent) are moderated to the point that censored would be the more appropriate word to describe the situation. Then there are whole subs banned (including non political) for wrongthink.

This point is always brought up and it has no relevance in terms of what we're discussing which boils down to opinions on products and services from people who have some expertise in the matter. You're not going to get banned from a hobby sub for asking a question on something related to a product in that hobby.

Try asking why Aragorn is a black man in the future LotR set on /r/magicTCG and see how long you can ask a question on something related to a product in that hobby after that. There are other swift ways to get ban, like noting that the body shape of some characters were changed drastically in-between old and newer cards. Basically anything going against the pandering of WotC to some twitter users.

Re: Google Search Is Dying (2022)

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Post by georgehill »

ddalex wrote: post #12

I used to think this too, until I tried Bing, with and without its new GPT chat, and if you think Google is rubbish, wait until you need to search MS dev documentation (very factual!) using Bing. Truth is, it's all astroturfing all the way, all the web. Even reddit. Disclaimer: I work at Google but not on search. My views are my own, etc.

I use Bing GPT and think it's better than Google for answering simple questions. Bing's search results may not be as good as Google's, but the information I need is usually buried inside SEO text. Bing's use of GPT to extract precise answers makes me feel impressed compared to Google.

Edit: Bing GPT is getting better, but it still makes mistakes sometimes. If anyone wants to stay updated on its development, you can follow the team on Twitter https://twitter.com/MParakhin.

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